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Custom Insertion Point(s) for Leader Tag

It would be great if we can add custom insertion points for leader tags.

This would basically be an invisible dot you can place in your tag families.

 

I do realise you can create this effect with invisible lines, but it's a hassle!

When you have multi-line texts that wrap, it becomes very very hard. 

 

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Allowing us to define a specific point in a tag family to which the leader would connect when the tag is place in a project would help us make better use of keynote tags displaying multiple lines of text. 

 

ALTERNATE IDEA: An alternative to this proposal is to allow a text object to read a property of an object. Keep all the functionality of a text note (leader attachment options, stretchable boundary...) but provide an option to associate the text note to an object and a property of that object.

 

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Collaborator
Collaborator

I'd like to have a way to define the leader connection points for tags and annotation symbol families. I think this could be as easy as adding a feature to pin-point the spots in a family that I'd like the leader to attach to. If those don't exist, then the current default behavior is used.

 

For example, we'd like to have a wall tag with a note next to it. We can achieve the below result by placing two tags, which is not efficient at all.

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When the above tag is edited to have a note within it, then we get this result:

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As you can see, this doesn't work. No matter where the leader is, it's not correct or attached to the symbol.

 

Make this work better please. The current workarounds don't always work, and I don't think we should really have to do them in the first place. The tools should help us do our work the way we want to.

 

Referencing forum posts for this issue:

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-mep-forum/leader-position-on-pipe-tag/m-p/3942008#M19298

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-mep-forum/annotation-leader-spacing/m-p/7272192#M43414

 

Thanks!

Casey

Anonymous
Collaborator
Collaborator

I searched around and didn't find anything related, but I'm sure my key words didn't match up. Well, hopefully we get enough votes either way!!

Collaborator
Collaborator

To add to your post, it is a hassle, but sometimes you can't even achieve your intended look or tag by this limitation. Lets get it fixed!!

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/tag-annotation-symbol-leader-location/idi-p/7438315 

Anonymous

No worries! The more exposure, the better I'd say.

Collaborator
Collaborator

For whatever reason, when I paste in a link for any forum post of mine, it doesn't seem to actually work. Sorry about that! I also don't seem to have the ability to edit the post to remove it :cara_de_decepción:

Anonymous

Allow leader base point to be defined in generic annotation family. Currently the base point is auto defined by the extents of the content of the family. If the family is semi parametric you should be able to set the leader base points for all types. That way there is never a gap between the linework and the leader start point.

Anonymous

This is beyond obviously a need, especially with Revit's "automatic" leader connection points so totally random.  It calculates the "center of geometry", which, if just a little bit away from the desired point, seems unconnected.   This is also something they know how to do, since mechanical fixtures (hot water, etc) already know how to attach to an exact point.  If the currently random location were in ANY way controllable short of repeatedly editing the family (moving text, etc, until the leader attaches where you wanted), I'd be happy.  But clearly the best method is to add a "control" (similar to the arrows) that is a magnet for leader attachment.

Explorer
Explorer

 This is very annoying... Should be able to indicate the center of the tag by reference planes and use that center as the point for the leader...

Contributor
Contributor

This could be solved if the leader origin "box" is not defined by its geometry, but defined by the Top, Bottom, Left, and Right reference planes.

Anonymous

The biggest issue I have with this is tags that have multiple visibility states.  I have different tag styles for multiple directions that contain a bunch of information and whenever I move the leader it jumps to Revit's "calculated" center based on seemingly nothing, but it's really just the hidden portion of my tag.

Advocate
Advocate

How is this still not implemented. It seems like a no brainer. I think another great addition would be to have a propertie for elements in tags that controls whether that elment is considered when caculating the leader location. Something like "Leader Location Contributer."

Anonymous

I would add my vote for this feature. I would propose introducing a line alone which the leader origin could travel as we change its direction

Advocate
Advocate

Please add a way to control a tag's  leader origin location.

 

When the leader's origin starts away/outside of a tag's shape/outline it is not clear that it is a leader from the tag- it looks like a mistake.

Collaborator
Collaborator

Should also be able to specify at what points on the object being tagged the 'Attached' leader attaches to. Similar to this idea.

Anonymous

This is still killing me. You know how hard it is to implement Revit in an office when little things like this can't be controlled? It's a great way for leadership to fall back on "well AutoCAD does that really easily."

Contributor
Contributor

I'm looking at the weld symbol, which is a fairly complex symbol with leaders that work reasonably well. I can't figure out why it works or what all the constraints do. Can anyone explain it? The problem with the out of the box version is that it's too large. I want to make a half or two-thirds size version, but without understand the constraints, I can't make t work.

Explorer
Explorer
Collaborator
Collaborator

@schlogl.robin, yes, this workaround can work in some situations, but not all....or most. It would be better to have this issue resolved so that we are free to build our tag families however we want and also be able to define the specific point(s) at where we want the leaders to snap to.

Advisor
Advisor

@JLSMART I made a smaller weld symbol by replacing the nested families (you can't edit the ones there - you have to make new ones). The trick is finding the origin (which is some odd distance off the lines - insert a nested family to see what I mean). You can try deciphering some of my notes here: Weld_Symbol-KAI.rfa. I also made the line shorter, but couldn't quite get it to vary by instance (which we could easily do by stretching in AutoCAD) - will try again at some point.

Explorer
Explorer

I would like to add to this that controlling where the other end of the leader (or a tag without a leader) ends up when placed would be great!

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/specify-tag-insertion-point-of-a-family/idi-p/10531170

Explorer
Explorer

I would in addition to this like to see a way of specifying the location of the other end of the leader. Or the whole tag, when placed without a leader.

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/specify-tag-insertion-point-of-a-family/idi-p/10531170

Advisor
Advisor

This is definitely a must. I would also like it if they added a control grip to the connecting end which could be adjusted same as the bend location and the arrow end. It should default to the top, right, bottom, left reference planes in the family and then center it on the edge of that defined rectangle.

 

Also as an additional it would be nice for tags with multiple leaders if you could control the arrow type individually for each arrow after placed using the default. This way you could have say an arrowhead and a dot on the same tag.

Collaborator
Collaborator

There are ideas already posted about defining where on an object a tag leader connects - this is one example

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/choose-where-to-tag-leaders-to/idi-p/6761764

I support those, I hope others will add some up votes.

 

This post is about the other side:  the tag

Imagine the typical room tag - a very common type has the room name above, and the room number, in a box, below.  If you pull the tag outside the room and add a leader, will come from the middle of the tag extents on one of the 4 sides.  But what if I want it to always come from the center of the box - regardless of whether the room name is one, two, or even three lines of text.  And, I may want to exclude leaders coming out of one side, or more.  EG, for the above mentioned room tag, I might not ever want the leaders to start from the top - the bottom might be OK, left and right are probably OK, but if the room is above the tag on the view, I would want the leader to come out from the side of the box, and then turn up.

Please allow us to define where the leaders connect - not just for room tags - I am sure that for every possible type of tag, someone needs to control where, exactly, the leaders begin.  

 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Hi, there is a similar idea here :  "Leader Line" parameter in all tag families 

Contributor
Contributor

Any word from the Autodesk/Revit team on whether this is being reviewed? Seems like a small but critical fix

It's crazy that a fix for this still hasn't been implemented.  I've had to spend who knows how much inefficient time adjusting leaders to not look like a broken mess, when one of our tag labels was purposely hidden in many instances to save drawing space.

Advocate
Advocate

Revit's current leader system is shown with black leaders, what I want is shown in red leaders.

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Note that Text objects in tag families don't stretch the bounding box like this, but labels do.  In other words, the below family has a correct leader attachment because "TYP." is a text object, not a label.

 

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Advocate
Advocate

@kimberly_fuhrman-jones

 

Hi Kimberly, requesting a merge of several related threads into this thread:

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/custom-insertion-point-s-for-leader-tag/idi-p/7364191

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/allow-custom-leader-connection-to-tag/idc-p/12070100

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/leader-origin-points-in-tags/idi-p/11009205

 

(I'm also sending you a request today for another set of tag leader threads, which are a completely different idea.  These threads are about the start of a leader.)

 

Thank you!

@ks2_wmb ,

 

Thank you!

Advocate
Advocate

Any updates on this topic?

Advocate
Advocate

I would also be interested in this functionality.
And I'm curious why "text" behaves differently than a "label" when determining the leader origin... I don't follow the logic.

Explorer
Explorer

Agree with custom base point for annotation tags and generic annotations.  This should be fixed.  I see the original post is from 2016... really, this couldn't have been fixed in 7 years!

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Would love to know why some form of this functionality still isn't implemented. I'm guessing file compatibility issues and huge portions of the software being held together by band aids on band aids.

 

Which means, like many basic feature requests that have been around for years, we'll never see any improvement. 

Contributor
Contributor

I had a chat with Autodesk support to report this as a bug. It is absolute insanity that you have to submit a feature request for requesting that they fix a bug. I request this feature that already exists is fixed so we can actually use it!!

 

Here is a forum post from 2007. That's how long Autodesk has known about this issue. I get that it might be low priority but we shouldn't have to wait 16 years for a bug fix. Even if it's intentionally designed the way it is, the feature is still broken if you have to use a workaround to make it work at all.