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CONTROL VISIBILITY OF WALL SWEEPS IN PLAN VIEWS!!

This is another huge pain and I can't believe it hasn't been fixed yet after all these years. Wall types can host wall sweeps. Such as base, chair and ceiling moldings / cornices. Great for internal perspectives & sections, but horrible for when trying to hide in plan views. Now there seems to be a checkbox inside the Visibility graphics to turn off wall sweeps as an override. Problem is, it doesn't work!

 

The only way to sort of get some control on the visibility of the sweeps, is to play around with the View Range. In some cases, it works, but in others, objects get hidden that you need to be shown.

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Anonymous

add subcategories as an option to filter by (ie. walls / wall sweeps)

Participant
Participant

The Wall Sweeps work fine, if they aren't in the Wall Types-->Sweep, but individually generated using the Wall Sweep Tool.

Using the Wall Sweep Tool, all you need to do is assign the Wall Sweep to a Subcategory of your choice (Go into its Type Properties & Assign it there). This subcategory then pops up in your View Visibility etc.

 

Problem still exists though in Wall Types-->Sweeps, no "Subcategory" button therCapture.PNG

Anonymous

So the whole purpose of creating the sweep or reveal in the Wall Structure editor is so you don't have to place them individually. 

Wouldn't it be nice if there was a Subcategory option in the editor for built in wall sweeps. Currently these sweeps just inherit the Wall Category Object Styles which is lacking in visibility control. 

 

I think this one is worthwhile. The option could be there, right beside Material in the editor for sweeps. 

Participant
Participant

Agree 100%

It's got my vote

Collaborator
Collaborator

Someone had previously posted this idea but it was not recognised as the important matter so I would like to re-post on Revit ideas.

 

The representation of system families which have both structual and architectual disciplines come to the issue, especially when we want to turn off specific wall, strucutal wall or Architectural wall.

 

I am talking about view setting without using worksets.

 

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I thought of turning off by subcategories for wall sweeps and it will work ok.

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But I expected that if I don't set a subcategory and set filtering for a specific structual wall, wall sweeps will be off by the filter as well.

Then it didn't work.... ok of course...

 

Then there is subcategory " slub edge" in the filter setting for floor.

So now I can turn of  slub edges by a new filter .... but why not for wall sweep?

 

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What is different between them?

-Slub Edge is defalt subcategory and Wall Sweeps are supposed to be added by users.

-Slub edges can not be set their subcategories.

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I understand the difference .... but after wall sweeps are all allocated then I cannot use filtering to turn off the specific walls and wall sweep belonged to them by filters.

I had to set subcategories for wall sweeps to turn off by following walls.I should had done the work in the first place, didn't I?

 

I just wish I could use the filter function like slub edges not by subcategories.

And it seems not difficult to add the funtion for wall sweep.

 

So I wish Autodesk will take this idea.

 

Thanks,

 

Yuki Sugita

 

Advisor
Advisor

Agreed - this is unnecessarily complex...

Collaborator
Collaborator

@Anonymous Thank you for your comment.I do know sorting out by subcategories in V/G.If you are talking about subcategories to sort in filers then that is what I am talking about. Wall's subcatetgory doesn't appear in the filter setting only category does.

 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

I agree with the previous - this is a burdensome way to control and create sweeps. Putting the sweeps in the wall type/sweep is a huge time saver - unless you need to turn them off in a specific view - then you must create in-place sweeps. This is nuts.

With all of the different VG controls in Revit this one would seem like a no brainer.

Autodesk - can you add this?

Explorer
Explorer

I agree! Autodesk, please add this functionality.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

just like everyone else, this seems like common sense. but like most things in revit, they must not be designed by people who are doing the drawings

 

at least allow filters to turn them off or something

Advisor
Advisor

Problem: We can not use filters for the Wall Sweeps. There is no "Wall Sweeps" category in the category list for filters.

Idea: Allow users to use filters for the Wall Sweeps category.

Anonymous

To control wall assigned sweeps, I found you select the wall sweep, you can go into Edit Types, then assign a sub-category (wall sweep)

Explorer
Explorer

Yes, this has been a problem for may years. Autodesk, please provide visibility control for wall sweeps that are part of the wall assembly. 

Explorer
Explorer

Yes, this has been a problem for many years. Autodesk, please provide visibility control for wall sweeps that are part of the wall assembly. 

Anonymous

I use a combination of walls, so instead of wall "layers" i draw it literally like i would build it. in different parts completely. ie:  the first wall drawn is the structure of the wall (the wall framing or core wall) then, later i draw the finish walls, (and i created a parameter called "wall function") then to all the "Finish walls" (which i pre-made a whole mess of in a wall library and in these walls i do use layers and embedded sweeps) i assign "finish" to the wall function parameter. then i can control the visibility of the finish walls independently of the structural walls or wall framing. 

there are steps involved to make sure the finish walls move with the "core wall" but overall i like the viability control it gives me in all views. (the visibility control is through the use of filters) it takes a while to figure out how to impliment this strategy but after a while and lots of templet set up plan views, elevations, and sections all come together pretty nicely... not perfect but neither is anything. 

Advocate
Advocate

I also can't believe that it has been years and this functionality still hasn't been built into the program. I agree 100%!

Advisor
Advisor

Must-implement idea!

Bump!

Advocate
Advocate

Programmers: Just allow for setting subcategory when defining the sweep in the wall assembly! Discovering, troubleshooting and working around inconsistencies such as this are frustrating.

Contributor
Contributor

I was just struggling with this very issue this morning!

I would very much support adding wall sub-categories to the filter options.

Anonymous

Autodesk please add this in an update or in the next version of Revit. Please!

Anonymous

Hello everyone,  At our office we've decided to turn the projection lines from walls white.  This is not a perfect fit but seems to do the job for now.  It's ridiculous that this has been an issue for so long and now one is addressing it.  Please help Autodesk, I can't imagine it would be that big of an effort to correct.  Please.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Bravo dborda! Thanks a million! Awsome!

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Yep, sweeps and reveals should be wall sub-categories just like the slab edges.

Not possible to even apply filters at the moment for wall sweeps.

 

 

Participant
Participant

THIS WAS CREATED IN 2017. IT'S 2020. FIX THIS, ALREADY, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY. 

Explorer
Explorer

While you're at it, please allow us to control all of the wall assembly layers' individual visibility in plan views by sub category.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Fixing (rewiring code) has its limitations. I believe that we will see an all-new Revit in the not so distant future. Until then, keep those workarounds coming. You may use Parts as a workaround for Wall layers.

Anonymous

+1 To creating an easy visibility on/off function.

 

From my experience developers never do anything about it, but it's always nice to dream.

Anonymous

+1 - I am getting this request far too often. @harlan_brumm thoughts?

El estado se ha cambiado a: Accepted

Congrats! We think this is a great idea, so we've decided to add it to our roadmap. Thanks for the suggestion!

 

The Factory

Explorer
Explorer

Excellent! I'm looking forward to seeing how this functionality is implemented!

Explorer
Explorer

Please implement this!

Community Visitor
Community Visitor

With the latest version of Revit 2023, I still cannot control visibility for wall sweeps that are part of the wall assembly. Revit please see to it!

Collaborator
Collaborator

It's absurd that Autodesk has not fixed this issue yet. This shouldn't be an issue in the first place. All Sweep types should be a sub-category of walls, so line weights can be controlled and appear graphically correct when cut in any view, at any scale. Autodesk - PLEASE ADDRESS!!!

I also have this problem. But it is worse since it is coming from a link. Any thoughts of adding additional info into the sweep itself or category to aid in control is not possible since the model is a link owned by another consultant.

seriously this has taken you 3 years to accept and 2 years to implement? 
i have about one lesson in coding, give me acess to the source code pretty sure its not gonna take me 2 years to figure out to this.....

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

don't worry, it was added to the roadmap, so it will be implemented in Revit 2035. in the meantime, they will add more useless things to the Generative Design function that maybe 2% of revit users use  

Collaborator
Collaborator

This shouldn't be an Idea really, it should just be something that is already there. Should have been thought of when the ability to place a wall sweep was added or the ability to include them in a wall type (whichever came first). Revit 2023 added the ability to filter wall sweeps (not specifically any sub-categories), but yet it still didn't connect system wall sweeps with placed wall sweeps. Another missed opportunity...

 

Just allow for Wall Type structure sweeps to have a sub-category assignment, and then make sure those items are connected to the visibility in all views (and now the filter options as well with 2023).

Participant
Participant

Not sure if this was updated or on another thread, but I found that simply creating a visibilty Filter in the View Template / Visibilty settings to hide a wall sweep if it has a length value.  Hope this helps

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Explorer
Explorer

Why hasn't this been added in Revit 2023? It's an annoying issue that needs to be solved...

Explorer
Explorer

It's mind-blowing that this issue still persists. I will be moving programs if this isn't solved soon.

 

Autodesk, listen to your customers. Allow us to turn off sweeps that are part of a wall assembly. How can such a big company fail to implement such a basic, common-sense feature? This is ridiculous--look at how long it's taking them.

Advocate
Advocate

Nothing new ? Well that sucks

Advocate
Advocate

The status is accepted but was it implemented ? I don't know the difference

@tlagardeAJBTA ,

"Accepted" means this feature is currently in development.

"Implemented" means it has been released into the software.

Participant
Participant

@kimberly_fuhrman-jones thanks for clarifying!!

Advocate
Advocate

Okay, so we're still waiting, it's clear now

Community Visitor
Community Visitor

@GrantBIM I have tried using filters to hide wall sweeps, but I do not have the "Wall Sweeps" subcategory available in the filters. In fact I am not seeing any subcategories under "Walls". How were you able to see wall sweeps as a subcategory?

 

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Participant
Participant

@sean_kaneCRXJ4

 

I am not sure when this was introduced, but 2023 and 2024 both have the option in the Filters.  So maybe it was included as a way to alleviate the issue?  Or perhaps you are on LT version?   

 

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I would be curious how to overcome this in the absence of the above if you find a way.  

 

It's hard to fathom why these elements can't just have a function to hide in plan view.  From a layman's perspective, it would appear easy enough program in but seems to be taking years to achieve.

 

Goodluck!

Explorer
Explorer

Has anyone found a work around for this? I have a wall with an integral sweep that I need to hide in floor plan views. Using VG Filters is not alleviating the issue either. 

 

UPDATE: Using the "Has Length" Parameter worked.

 

-Frank

Advocate
Advocate

@ftidmoreI just discovered this as well.  At least in 2023 onwards, the Wall Sweeps can be controlled by a filter using Length Is Greater Than 0'-0", or just Length: Has A Value.  Very nice.

Advocate
Advocate

So I actually couldn't make it work to hide only interior baseboards, but not hide the exterior wall brick wainscot.  I tried making the filter only include sweeps of a certain material (the material of my baseboard sweep in the wall type).  But that doesn't seem to pick up sweeps in the wall type.  It works with the Length parameter, but that ends up controlling ALL sweeps.

Participant
Participant

@PatrickGSR94 I haven't given this a go, but does adding in a type mark (or any individual identity marker) as part of the filter parameters work?

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Advocate
Advocate

Okay...  so since Autodesk isn't planning to fix this, I've got a workaround that's [almost] solved my personal problems with the sweep visibility.  Hopefully it works for you too.

 

In my case, we're an Architecture and Interior Design firm, and while I wouldn't ever graphically represent the base trim at a wall in plan [because I don't want the contractor to add an extra layer of drywall on every wall....], the Interior Designers insist on having the base trim sweep imbedded in the wall type.  As you all know by now, there's no way to hide that sweep that doesn't cause issues somewhere else.  So, here's my workaround...

 

In the V/G [or in the View Template if that's your thing], override the Projection Lines and make them either your thinnest lineweight and/or change the color to something lighter or even white.  Then, you can hide the surface patterns as well if you're trying to really make them disappear.  That will still hide your floor patterns if you have them.  If that bugs you, try playing around with the surface transparency, but it seems to me that when you do, for some reason, you also lose your cut patterns.  If you can figure out that last piece, let me know!

 

The downside to this is, if you have a partial height wall, it's going to read very thinly in plan, or it's not going to show up at all if you made it white...  For us, we run across this much less often than we want to hide base trim, so I don't mind using the linework tool to make the pony walls read a little heavier.

 

 

UPDATE:  I should have read what @ftidmore said before I did my thing!!!!!  That worked.  Created a filter based on a sweep having a length greater than 0", and it worked!

 

@FAZIOGREG - this post has been edited due to Community Rules & Etiquette violation.

Advocate
Advocate

@FAZIOGREGI think that will have the same issues that I mentioned when trying to use filters to hide sweeps.  It will affect ALL sweeps in the view, including things like low brick wainscot sweeps that DO need to show up in plan views.

Advocate
Advocate

For sure, it will....  but by overriding the appearance rather than making the sweep invisible, there is still the ghost of a line.  you can then use the linework tool to override those white lines into whatever you want them to show up as, similar to the pony wall issue.  

 

In my case, it's less work to go in and "unhide" the desired sweeps than to hide the undesired ones...  I guess this one still remains unsolved....

Community Visitor
Community Visitor

Im still having an issue with this, there should be a VG to turn off sweeps or profiles, plans get very mesy - has it been fixed autodesk... i cant see it

Observer
Observer

Still having this issue today. Has there been any update I am overlooking? 

Participant
Participant

@PatrickGSR94 |
Did you, or anyone else for that matter, try adding a Type mark to the filter to exclude certain types of sweeps while allowing the others to remain visible?  i can't see why this wouldn't work?

Explorer
Explorer

@GrantBIM @vincentLOLA 

I have found that the only way I could control this was with a filter in the VG settings.

Below is a screenshot of the filter I made that worked. 

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Advocate
Advocate

@GrantBIM can't add Type marks to wall sweeps in wall types.  And I need to be able control different sweeps in the same wall type separately, like having a brick wainscot visible, but a baseboard sweep in the wall type turned off.

 

@ftidmore will that allow individual control of wall sweeps in a wall type?  Wall type sweeps can't have an Assembly Code assigned to them, so that doesn't really help.

Explorer
Explorer

@PatrickGSR94 

I can tell you definitively that there is no way to do what you are trying to do unfortunately. Line weight adjustment is the only way to do it. Otherwise, you will only be able to hide all of the sweeps. I recommend created a wall hosted generic model if you have a large project that needs that showing but cant spare the man hours... It may be able to work.