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Need help splitting a body

InfoatInfuue
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Need help splitting a body

InfoatInfuue
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Hi, 

 

I am new to Fusion 360 and am trying to split a body to create core and cavity. I have been trying multiple times however, I get an error that the tool (surface loft) I am using doesn't intersect the body. I am looking for help to solve this problem. 

 

Thanks in advance for any help. 

 

Regards,

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jhackney1972
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You have a great big hole in your cutting surface so some of the solid is not completely contacting the solid body.  The Split Body command required that all of the solid but be covered by the cutting surface.  I know you want to conform to the shape of the cavity, but the cutting surface must be continuous across the entire body you want to split.

 

Hole in Cutting Surface.jpg

 

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davebYYPCU
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Filling the hole, works as expected.

 

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Might help.....

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InfoatInfuue
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Thanks a lot for looking into this. I was not sure on how to fill the hole. Now I see another response on it where I can create a surface offset of the original component and stitch. 

 

This helped. Thanks once again.  

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InfoatInfuue
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This helped me learn something new today - Surface offset with 0 distance. That is a nice trick. Did solve the problem.

Thank you very much!
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InfoatInfuue
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Hi, 

 

I tried the same process for another similar body, however, again the split body fails. Not sure what I am doing wrong. Thanks a ton for any help in this regard in advance. 

 

Regards,

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davebYYPCU
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Not sure what I am doing wrong. 

 

Easier to tell you how to fix it.  Diagnosing - hide the solid bodies.

Surface > Modify > Stitch the surface body.  Zoom into the area that has red edges in this preview.

(There should not be any, for the Split Body to work.)

 

Surface > Modify > Unstitch your cutter.

I deleted the overlapping bodies, 72, 79, and 86., and found some more overlapping after that, so deleted those as well, 12, 13, 15 and 44 (in no particular order).  Leaves a neater hole to repair.

 

I found the black line in Sketch 1, aligns to a point that may have caused all this.  It's replaced with a new line to accord with the body I need.  Old line is now construction.

 

Surface > Create > Patch, with chaining option turned OFF, select the new black line in sketch 1, then walk around the opening, near the 3d curves are there are lots of small curves to find in chaining order.  After selecting the last edge required the new patch is provided, Press OK.

 

Surface > Modify > Stitch the cutter.

Modify > Split Body, worked for me, You know the rest...

(I have not chased the yellow sketch icon error, some projections from those deleted bodies will do that.) 

 

mcfsbDB.PNG

 

Investigate Create > Ruled Surface > normal and / or Tangent edges, to eliminate so many Lofts.

 

Might help....

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Message 8 of 18

InfoatInfuue
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Thank you very much for guiding in detail. I think I now understand the troubleshooting approach. 

 

I guess I need to be more careful while building the cutting surface. Being more cautious while building the cutting surface may avoid some of the problem. 

 

I will practice doing this again for the same body to trace my mistakes and learn to correct them. 

 

Best Regards

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InfoatInfuue
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I find it strange that even with a huge gap in the cutting body in this scenario, I am able to split the body! 

 

Any explanations for this? 

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davebYYPCU
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Split Body must have the result of creating 2 or more bodies to complete the operation successfully.

Your error message is accurate, it could not find 2 bodies using the cutter you had created.

(My rule of thumb - if Split body fails, the cutter is not large enough)

 

It is not closing the big hole that is the requirement. If the cutter can overlap, inside and outside, it will work.

 

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You can cut the torus with a cutter that is not a disc, as long as the result gives 2 bodies for the result.

 

In the first example, the Split body fail, is likely due to Fusion's requirement for accuracy. 

Stitching to a watertight shape, fixed the problem, most likely the small stitching / joining seam, closed the problem area.

 

In this latest (3rd) example you did have the required accuracy, so I presume the geometry did allow for a clean cut, without filling the hole.

 

Might help.... 

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Message 11 of 18

InfoatInfuue
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Yeah you are right, and also, I found that increasing the tolerance during stitch helped close many minor gaps which otherwise we need to patch.

Thanks for all the help!
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davebYYPCU
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Arh, that is like putting a bandaid on an injury.  

You won't need the bandaid, if you don't cut yourself.

 

Larger tolerance is an approximating gap closure, rather than no gap.

 

Might help....

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Message 13 of 18

InfoatInfuue
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Yes, you are right, I agree it is a band aid solution. However, looking at it from a manufacturing perspective, if it is within the manufacturing tolerance limit (acceptance limits), it is an easy way to fix the gaps. In the example (not the one attached), the tolerance limit is +/- 0.5 mm, I increased the tolerance during stitch to 0.2mm in stead of the default which took care of many minor gaps which are in fact hard to find.

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InfoatInfuue
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I re-tried the split with all the suggestions from scratch and I am able to split the body. However, I am trying to use the combine tool to cut (remove) Body 1 from Body 53. Now, this is failing and am not able to understand the reason why and troubleshoot. 

 

Thanks for any help on this in advance!

 

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davebYYPCU
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Combine Tool has difficulty with coincident faces, try cutting the cavity before the split,

and now the Stitch tolerance / gap filling process can come back to bite.

 

Can check the file later.

 

Might help.....

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InfoatInfuue
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You are right. I am able to cut the cavity before the split. Then, Split fails 😞

Look forward to learn how to fix such an issue.

Thanks.
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davebYYPCU
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Interesting...

I narrowed down to 2 errors being seen by Fusion, by sliding the cut planes to eliminate the good areas, these 2 blocks are as small as I could get them without error.

 

Something makes the split body fail for these 2 blocks.  Likely the original part body shape.  Sliver faces or undercut is likely.

 

SBEdb.PNG

 

I suspect these 2 areas, as the original part is starting to cut slots into the bottom mold half.

 

SBE2db.PNG

 

I have not gone further with a draft analysis

Might help...

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Message 18 of 18

davebYYPCU
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Undercuts are here, and or near it, I figure but not sure, your cutter body does not CUT in these regions to see two distinct bodies.

 

SBE4db.PNGSBE5db.PNG

 

And this lower edge (in the larger error block) is not a cutting face, just a common edge between the cutter body, two mold pieces and the part, four bodies all meeting on this edge.

 

SBE6db.PNG

 

Might help.....

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