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Lofting Errors (again)

et_cetera
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Lofting Errors (again)

et_cetera
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Hi!

 

I just posted about a problem with lofting about a week ago, so this problem might be familiar because I came across another problem with some rails. I was lofting the front part of my model and was able to use all of the rails except for one, in sketch 29. I don't know why Fusion won't accept the geometry, because the sketch is just a reflected projection of sketch 26, which works. I've included a screenshot below.

 

Additionally, is there a way to fix sketch 29 so that there aren't as many points? When I converted from a projection to a sketch, it just added way too many extra points.

 

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

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jeff_strater
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I can reproduce this.  Let me take a look.  Not sure why this is a self-intersection, but I'll try to find out


Jeff Strater
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TheCADWhisperer
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Does Ctrl B (CMD B) return any unresolved issues?

TheCADWhisperer_0-1619726662597.png

 

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et_cetera
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Yeah I have a lot of unresolved loft issues because I made some major changes to some sketches, and didn't bother to fix them because they were with bodies that I weren't using anymore. I don't think the previous issues have to do with the current rail though, because sketch29 is made after those lofts. Anyway, thanks for the suggestion I'll clean those up
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TheCADWhisperer
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Based on what I see - I recommend starting over from scratch.

Actually, this doesn't look like a beginner project.  Can you Attach some of the prior projects of increasing complexity that you completed over the last 6 months leading up to this project.

The prior projects might help identify modeling techniques that could be revised for robust success.

 

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et_cetera
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I can definitely try to start over from scratch. This is actually my very first Fusion project, so I don't have any prior experience or projects to show. If you have any suggestions, feel free to DM me. 🙂
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jeff_strater
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@et_cetera - this model is going to be the end of one or both of us...  😀

 

I got it to work.  Lofts are tricky business, and require lots of tweaking sometimes.  I did not record the entire thing, and don't have time to start over.  But, the main thing I did is to tweak two of your rails.  It helps to look at rails with curvature combs on:

Screen Shot 2021-04-29 at 3.12.55 PM.png

 

Areas of high curvature are going to likely be problems.  That applies to the center rail - it is very curvy in the "nose" area.  I tweaked the angle of the final line, and the spline handles a bit:

Screen Shot 2021-04-29 at 3.15.28 PM.png

 

For the other rail, on the left in the first image, there are just too many control points in that spline.  A good rule of thumb is to use as few control points or fit points as you can.  Lots of points results in curvature changes along the curve, which you don't want.  This is what I ended up with:

Screen Shot 2021-04-29 at 3.17.28 PM.png

 

much smoother.  I also had to move some of the control points near the front, because they were sticking too far out, and causing self-intersecting loft results.

 

I've attached my repaired model.  Not sure you can learn a ton from it, but just in case you want to look at it.  Basically, the method is just:  tweak the rails a bit, try a loft, tweak more if it fails, etc.  It can also help to try to select the rails in different orders.  That's how I found which rails were the problem children, and so was able to modify those.

 

Hope this helps!

 


Jeff Strater
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et_cetera
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Thanks so much for your work Jeff! I really appreciate the numerous times you've helped me with this one model :D. I hope I'm not bothering you too much because of my inexperience.

I can try to tweak the things you mentioned above, but for some reason the curvature comb tool won't allow me to select my rails. Is there something I have to do first?
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jeff_strater
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No worries.  I was just trying to be funny...  Apologies if that comment came across negatively. Loft is hard, and this one has tested my knowledge and skills, so this is a good thing.

 

Yeah, this is a very unfortunate bit of UI.  The Curvature Comb analysis tool does not apply to sketches, but sketches have their own tool for this.  You have to select the sketch curves (double click will select the whole chain), then right click and choose Toggle Curvature Display from the context menu:

Screen Shot 2021-04-29 at 3.52.09 PM.png


Jeff Strater
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et_cetera
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Haha, don't worry, I got the joke. I was just worried I was being really annoying at this point. 🙂

I don't have time to try the solution this weekend, so I'll do it next week. Thanks for all your help and guidance. Cheers!

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et_cetera
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I tried to edit the rail to make the front flatter, but now the loft treats one line as two different rails. I've tried messing around with the dimensions of the sketch but nothing seems to work.

https://autode.sk/33nFLTX 

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TrippyLighting
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@et_cetera wrote:
I can definitely try to start over from scratch. This is actually my very first Fusion project, so I don't have any prior experience or projects to show. If you have any suggestions, feel free to DM me. 🙂

This is a public Forum and contributions are public, so everyone can benefit 😉

 

I would generally not consider for this to be beginner material. It isn't unusual for people to see shapes they like and try to re-create  these shapes using a CAD or other modeling software, however, you've got to learn to crawl, before you start walking. 

 

Surfacing is very technical and requires some understanding of NURBS surfaces.

Here are some references:

Autodesk Alias Theory Builders

Autodesk Alias Golden Rules

Dirty little secrets of NURBS

 


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et_cetera
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wow, thanks for the useful resources! these are very helpful. much appreciated. 🙂
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