Latest release really made it all worse

[elcrni]

hi all,

Long time Solidworks user, switched to Fusion as its cheaper and more intuitive, covers what i need in any case.

Worked great until yesterday when it was updated, after first start of the program i've started noticing issue after issue.

Running Windows 11 pro, 4k Dell Display. No issues of any kind up until latest release from yesterday.

1. Annoyance/minor ISSUE! Login is now not in the program window anymore but in the browser, for some reason. Annoying/Minor issue

2. MAJOR ISSUE! I am using 4k monitor, up until yesterday i was able to go to Fusion Shortcut>properties>compatibility > high DPI scaling and i choose "application"... everything was crisp and sharp. I am using 125% scaling as system default. After yesterdays update, nothing works anymore, i can get the viewport itself sharp and HD but everything else looks like a chpeap Windows 95 application. Why? 

--------- 3. & 4. are apparently features rather than issues - with exception being a bug in export naming ---------

3. MAJOR ISSUE! Selecting the part>save as mesh was great before, it gives me a system dialog to save the body with the BODY/PART name.... now i get Fusion dialog with main FILE name for part/body export, so if i am exporting 100 parts, i have to manually name each one. Why please?

4. MAJOR ISSUE! Exporting a component would export as "one file" and i would be able to separate those in my slicer program, now it's really one file and i have no option to separate those anymore.

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After years it seems Fusion is still far away from being a serious and mature product. Shame considering a huge potential.

Thanks,

Alek

[g-andresen]

Hi,

Regarding 3 and 4, there are already various posts and also answers from @Phil.E 

günther

[elcrni]

Thanks! Ok, 3. and 4. are intended "improvement for some users" as the stuff says, i can live with that, and they will hopefully soon sort out the export naming mess.

Still puzzled with graphics, fusion now really looks awful. On the other hand, 4k and higher DPI displays are the thing of the past... oh wait!?  🙂

[HughesTooling]

Post #2 in this thread might help with graphics.

Mark

[elcrni]

Thanks, already knew that, unfortunately setting a system scaling to 100% means sacrificing everything else so that Fusion can look as it supposed to, not really a fix as there is a reason i am using 125% system scale 🙂 Thanks anyway! 😉

[mbelusa.mail]

Two days more and more users reporting serious dpi issue. ZERO answers from Autodesk team... that is really great support for payed licences.

[elcrni]

indeed! Speaking about improvements when most basic thing is not working is just comedy. Answer like "revert to 100% system scaling" is even worse. 

[lance.carocci]

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1. Annoyance/minor ISSUE! Login is now not in the program window anymore but in the browser, for some reason. Annoying/Minor issue

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The switch to browser-based login was made (in part) to allow users to make use of existing browser password managers, a feature that has been requested for quite some time, and to unify the login experience across Autodesk apps. Can you tell me more about how this change impedes use of the application? 

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2. MAJOR ISSUE! I am using 4k monitor, up until yesterday i was able to go to Fusion Shortcut>properties>compatibility > high DPI scaling and i choose "application"... everything was crisp and sharp. I am using 125% scaling as system default. After yesterdays update, nothing works anymore, i can get the viewport itself sharp and HD but everything else looks like a chpeap Windows 95 application. Why? 

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I do not recommend using these scaling overrides with Fusion 360 to begin with - while some users find them helpful, for others it often results in artifacts and distortion in the UI. Having said that, I get why you are using them - by default, Fusion 360 does not yet support high DPI scaling on Windows, so what you are seeing sounds expected.

There is a high DPI scaling preview option that will enable scaling for UI text and canvas graphics (icons to come) - have you given this a try? This option should be leaving preview within a few releases, but for now requires users to toggle it on and restart the client to take effect.

[donniej2015]

Lucky you, you are able to sign in.  Once this browser based sign in kick in for me yesterday, I cannot run the app even after it says I am signed in.  It just an infinite loop of asking to sign in.

[mbelusa.mail]

There is a high DPI scaling preview option that will enable scaling for UI text and canvas graphics (icons to come) - have you given this a try? This option should be leaving preview within a few releases, but for now requires users to toggle it on and restart the client to take effect.

This doesn't work, if you enable it in preview and restart, the fusion starts in the same completely unscalled UI - big text, items, icons and fuzzy model interface. And if you try to change the apperance in the model, then the UI crash. Sorry, but it's impossible to work seriously in such an cad environment, we ask for a fix as soon as possible! Everythings was ok before update, Thank you.

[elcrni]

Thank you for your reply!

1. Annoyance/minor ISSUE! Login is now not in the program window anymore but in the browser, for some reason. Annoying/Minor issue

As i wrote, its more of an annoyance really, it does not affect the use of the app, just not a big fan of going back and forth to sign in, thats all.

"There is a high DPI scaling preview option that will enable scaling for UI text and canvas graphics (icons to come) - have you given this a try? This option should be leaving preview within a few releases, but for now requires users to toggle it on and restart the client to take effect."

I am aware of that but thats useless. I do have grid sharp and clean but thats all, i can achieve the same thing with using custom DPI scaling in the shortcut properties dialogue.

Still struggling to understand your argument:

"I do not recommend using these scaling overrides with Fusion 360 to begin with - while some users find them helpful, for others it often results in artifacts and distortion in the UI."

i was using it for all this time until yesterday without a single issue...

Further, Eagle works and looks great, i am also using 3DsMAX which also looks amazing on high DPI monitor, TrueDWG... all Autodesk products and all look amazingly crisp and sharp, all but Fusion.

Its really a rare occasion now days that i find ANY applications that are not optimized for high DPI displays, usually really old/cheap apps, i would say mostly dev. abandoned.

Bottom line is, sorry but i can not understand any of the arguments. Introducing new features like browser login while the app interface looks like crap is not the way to do things. Any serious dev team, especially Autodesk dev team should really have a priority list. If your app is not scaling correctly on high DPI displays, it's funny to even talk about adding new features, dare i say some of them not really needed at all. Getting use of browser password manager, i get it but its not like i log in 20 times a day. Fix the darn interface scaling! 🙂

thanks,

Alek

[lance.carocci]

Can you explain how the preview option is useless? Use of this OS-level override is not validated with Fusion 360, and as a result I'm not quite sure how you are enabling scaling support without use of the Preview option, because for me enabling use of the OS-level override does not have a positive result. The only way I am aware of to enable DPI scaling support in Fusion early is to enable the preview checkbox - this enables DPI-awareness for the canvas and UI text, but icons will still be low resolution for the moment.

I can pass your feedback on to the team who implemented the login functionality, however, please note they do not work with the UI framework or DPI scaling in any way - they are entirely different priority lists and work groups.

[lance.carocci]

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@mbelusa.mail wrote:
This doesn't work, if you enable it in preview and restart, the fusion starts in the same completely unscalled UI - big text, items, icons and fuzzy model interface. And if you try to change the apperance in the model, then the UI crash. Sorry, but it's impossible to work seriously in such an cad environment, we ask for a fix as soon as possible! Everythings was ok before update, Thank you.

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Can you please include some clarifying screenshots? The UI, text, and model interface should be blurry with the preview off, but crisp with it on. The crashing is likely unrelated - could you please provide the crash ID number and I can investigate further?

[elcrni]

Thank you for your reply! I will elaborate:

1. First option, Fusion shortcut properties and High DPI override, does nothing, but seems to enable the in app option - Preferences>graphics>display>Use high resolution graphics. Checking this option gives me sharp and crisp viewport ONLY, all icons, menu structure, model explorer... are still low res/blurry/jagged

2. Second option - Preferences>Preview features>highDPIscaling smooths out icons and other menu/browser graphics. Everything still looks like crap bit its just smoothed out and blurred, not jagged. This looks the same with system shortcut properties and High DPI override enabled OR disabled, no difference. 

Bottom line is, whatever i do, whatever combination of options i use, i can get the viewport grid and the model sharp while everything else remains low-res and really ugly looking.

The only thing that sorts ALL issues is the system scaling when set to 100%, no other scaling factor works.

I understand about different teams and i do not mind the browser login, i was exaggerating to make a point, we are sort of building a house extension while the roof is leaking, there should be some priorities for a "to do/fix" list 🙂

Many thanks,

Alek

[mbelusa.mail]

You can see the screen of UI with preview on and hit A for change apperance  below: 

UI break (not total crash ) , text crisp, everythings mega huge, the model interface blurry:

Thank you!

[NathanNation]

Just created a post specifically related to #1 - Sign In. From overnight, no luck signing in at all now.
"Microsoft WebView2 required to sign in. WebView2 Runtime is already installed. "

 

[lance.carocci]

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@elcrni wrote:

1. First option, Fusion shortcut properties and High DPI override, does nothing, but seems to enable the in app option - Preferences>graphics>display>Use high resolution graphics. Checking this option gives me sharp and crisp viewport ONLY, all icons, menu structure, model explorer... are still low res/blurry/jagged

2. Second option - Preferences>Preview features>highDPIscaling smooths out icons and other menu/browser graphics. Everything still looks like crap bit its just smoothed out and blurred, not jagged. This looks the same with system shortcut properties and High DPI override enabled OR disabled, no difference. 

Bottom line is, whatever i do, whatever combination of options i use, i can get the viewport grid and the model sharp while everything else remains low-res and really ugly looking.

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This sounds as-expected, to be honest. Fusion 360 does not yet support DPI scaling by default on Windows, and requires a Preview override to enable. Option 2 is the preferred method - it forces the app to be DPI-aware and enables scaling with font, UI borders, and canvas graphics - just not yet icons and images. You should still see the same Use High Resolution Graphics option for the canvas with the Preview feature enables.

For all intents and purposes Option 2 above encompasses Option 1, but with a more user-friendly access point. However, icons are still not going to change, because they are the same physical 1x images, and cannot get larger without pixilation or antialiasing (or higher resolution graphics, which will come in a later release).

[lance.carocci]

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@mbelusa.mail wrote:

You can see the screen of UI with preview on and hit A for change apperance  below: 

UI break (not total crash ) , text crisp, everythings mega huge, the model interface blurry:

Thank you!

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I can reproduce the UI "resize" when opening Appearances - we have it logged internally as FUS-125448.

However, this behavior should be specific to the High DPI scaling preview - it should not happen with all previews off. Do you have all OS-level scaling overrides disabled when this is happening?

[mbelusa.mail]

Yes, all OS-level scaling overrides i have disabled.

[lance.carocci]

What is the resolution and DPI scale of each display? Which one is Primary, and which one did Fusion launch on first?