Issues with the Hole Callout feature in Drawings

[ercwtsnHDS]

Kudos for getting the hole callout feature to release!

Some issues with the *new* hole callout feature

1. Leading Zero doesn't follow the rules set by the Document Settings
2. Countersink Angle follows the Linear Dimension Precision and not the Angular Dimension Precision
3. Arrow doesn't point to the center, neither does it recognize the centerline
4. Tolerance Local Notes missing for Clearance Holes
5. Modeled threads aren't recognized
6. Dual dimensioning option missing
7. Not an issue but can't toggle between symbols and words (e.g. cbore, cdrill, deep, etc.)
8. Also, not an issue but doesn't recognize keyways or keyseats

[sabadell · Accepted solution]

Hi ercwtsnHDS,

Thank you for the feedback - very quick! I will be sure the team sees your list. Sounds like we may have a few things in there to sort out.

[andrew.de.leon]

Hi @ercwtsnHDS,

Thanks for jumping in and letting us know your findings, much appreciated. As @sabadell mentioned, we have a few things to sort out as we continue to expand this feature over the coming months. Here's some initial responses. Looking forward to your input. Also happy to chat directly if you prefer.

1. Leading zero issue is logged (FDWG-12788) and our team will be looking into it.

2. Countersink angle issue is logged (FDWG-12782) and our team is already working on it.

3a. Are you wanting the leader to point to the center of the circular edge in top view (see yellow highlighting in the images below), or the entry point of the hole in side/section view (see orange highlighting)? Or both 😉?

3b. Can you expand on the "neither does it recognise the centerline" comment? I'm not sure I'm following the workflow, more specifically how a centerline, center mark or center mark pattern selection places a hole and thread note.

4. Can you expand on this? I think you're referring to the Close/Normal/Loose fit within the Hole dialog? If yes, are you expecting to see +/- or min/max values for the selected hole diameter within the hole and thread note?

5. Correct, this is not supported at this stage. We have a lot of work to do to support modelled threads. How often are you using modelled threads versus cosmetic threads?

6. Correct, this is not supported at this stage. How often would you require alternate unit display on hole and thread notes? If switching Dimension Units (within Document Settings) switched hole and thread note units, would that satisfy the request?

7. Correct, this is not supported at this stage. Do you see this as a option within Document Setting, meaning it would apply to all hole and thread note within all sheets in the document?

8. Correct, this is not supported at this stage.

As I mentioned above, we are continuing to expend support for hole and thread features. In the coming days we'll be starting work on external thread support, improved selection/highlighting of holes and hole patterns and other minor enhancements. And once that's done, hole charts.

Anyways, hope this helps and looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the questions above.

Cheers, Andrew

[ercwtsnHDS]

Thank you Andrew for the reply. You guys have done tremendous work on Fusion and that continues to show with each update.

To clarify a few things:

3a. Yes, I would like the leader to optionally point to BOTH, exactly as you show highlighted in yellow and orange.
3b. The leader of the Hole Callout tool doesn't snap to other objects like the regular leader tool. (See https://autode.sk/35iffMl)
4. Yes I am referring to the 'Fit' selection in the hole creation dialog box. And while I am expecting a deviation format of some kind at the very least I would much prefer to add tolerances like the 'Dimensioning Tool'.
5. Rarely do we use modeled-threads in CAD drawings. It only becomes necessary if the threads need to be visually distinguishable in an assembly drawing and the scale allows for it. Sometimes the dashed line for threads will become lost in the noise of lines. 
6. It's a matter of having both available for the sake of mixed manufacturing techniques. For example, sometimes a customer's machine will be made in metric and be required to mate to another machine made in inches.
7. I'll admit this was a trivial request and do see it as an option in the document settings.

[andrew.de.leon]

Hey @ercwtsnHDS ,

Thanks, and thanks so much for the quick responses. I could talk about this stuff all day 😉

3a. For the circular edge (yellow), we already do this with surface texture, fcf and datum identifiers and some users not familiar with ASME or ISO have found their placement limiting. Since we included hole and thread notes as a type within the Note command, we took the approach that provided greater flexibility. Making this an option, or even a SHIFT toggle during placement makes sense. And for the entry point (orange), we are looking to support this. We first need our centerlines, center marks and center mark patterns to recognise hole features.

3b. Correct, and thanks for the video. The Note command assigns a note type based on the feature data stored within the selected edge. As a result, selecting a hole edge will create a hole and thread note, selecting a bend centerline (in a sheet metal flat pattern) will create a bend note, and all other edges including centerlines create a leader. So like 3a, automatic assignment of note type will be improved once our centerlines, center marks and center mark patterns recognise hole features.

4. Perfect! I'm thinking we'd support tolerancing on all size properties within the note, not just the clearance hole size.

5. Thats really good to hear, and your use case for using them makes sense.

6. Totally agree. Here in Australia, manufacturing over the decades have used metric, imperial, British, American, and everything else in between, so I completely get it.

7. Thats cool, if you don't ask you don't get 😊

Thanks again Eric.

Cheers, Andrew

[ercwtsnHDS]

It sounds like you guys have some really nifty functionality planned for the hole callout tool--which is already a blessing to Fusion's drawing environment.

Flexibility is definitely appreciated. So thank you for that understanding.

I very much would like the option of using SHIFT to toggle during circular placement. And I can see how the big standards like ASME and ISO can be limiting, especially when the point of a drawing would be to explain a design in some ontic way.

Thanks for the insight, Andrew

[Louis.Demers]

9. Even single dimensioning has issues. Everything in my documents is metric, but the callout insist on being in inches

[T3H]

Also would like the ability to change the precision on individual size features. I have the default precision set to two decimal places and would like to manually change drill sizes to three decimal places. Doesn't seem like that's currently possible. I have to erase the automatic drill size and manually type in the three decimal value.