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Can you provide an image that shows which icons you're talking about?
Seth Madore
Customer Advocacy Manager - Manufacturing
My guess would be these in the manufacture workspace, wish I could turn them off. Also wish the time and money had been spent fixing Setups so they don't default to from last setup.
Also notice some dialogs, for example Drill have narrower input boxes that doesn't help.
2d adaptive is far better. Note, Fusion in general wastes space all down the right side of all its dialogs!
Mark Hughes
Owner, Hughes Tooling
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@HughesTooling wrote:
Fusion in general wastes space all down the right side of all its dialogs!
I very much agree with that!
Seth Madore
Customer Advocacy Manager - Manufacturing
@seth.madore I see now the drill input boxes are shifted over because of the Drill Tip Through Bottom option. Does this really need to shift all the From and Offset input boxes? Is this a windows standard or could the From and Offset inputs stay the same size as the 2d adaptive ones?
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I see another problem where Selection is used for a height.
Using Hole Top And Hole Bottom there's plenty of room for the text and the new icons.
But when Bottom Reference is added the input boxes are shrunk. Couldn't you just have Reference, you don't really need Bottom as it's in the Bottom Height section so it's obvious you're selecting the bottom reference.
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@rhetths Can you give specifics? There's the "Automated" tab in design, but otherwise....what else?
Seth Madore
Customer Advocacy Manager - Manufacturing
@rhetths wrote:
@seth.madore wrote:
@rhetths Can you give specifics? There's the "Automated" tab in design, but otherwise....what else?
I don't pay attention to where per se, but there has been a flood of new icons in 'manufacture', and i think they are all worthless clutter, and some functionality has been lost as well.
"worthless clutter", please provide some examples. If they are confusing to you, it's likely that they are as such to other users. We certainly want to present an intuitive user interface, so any examples of such would help us to improve.
Seth Madore
Customer Advocacy Manager - Manufacturing
@seth.madore wrote:
@rhetths wrote:
@seth.madore wrote:@rhetths Can you give specifics? There's the "Automated" tab in design, but otherwise....what else?
I don't pay attention to where per se, but there has been a flood of new icons in 'manufacture', and i think they are all worthless clutter, and some functionality has been lost as well.
"worthless clutter", please provide some examples. If they are confusing to you, it's likely that they are as such to other users. We certainly want to present an intuitive user interface, so any examples of such would help us to improve.
I shouldn't have to 'teach' programming in order to try save fusion from degradation, especially since i have made numerous points in the past and 99% of the time no change has resulted from me doing so. I have even gone to the effort of listing and explaining degradations, many of them more than once.
I have also pointed out flaws, but nothing has been done about them, and offered ideas for improvements, and none have been put in place.
The program is supposed to serve me and other users, not me serve the programming, unpaid, for no positive result. It's a pretty wacky situation.
I just noticed an example a minute ago of icons being used and they just get in the way, but i suspect they already existed. At the top of the measure feature, there are three icons. I have no idea what the icons mean or do. I have been using fusion for more than 3.5 years, and used the measure function very regularly. I just hovered over the icons and thankfully there is scrips saying what they are about, but i still don't understand what they do, or see a connection between the icon and the text. I have zero interest or expectation of remembering what the icons represent, they are too similar and i don't know that i would use them enough to learn.
In the design space where the user is pretty much constantly selecting icons, and the icons are mostly larger, and distinctly different from each other, icons can work. I am not sure they are any faster than if text was used, i expect that say the word 'CHAMFER' could be there and functionality would be pretty much the same, but i am happy enough to learn and use those icons.
But even though i also spend a lot of time in the manufacture space, the new icons are small, often similar to each other, and are used less, making them worthless and clutter.
This is the most wacky icon situation i have noticed.
See how the top of the list has 'Mode". There is a yellow cube, and the letters "Fixed siz". In the list of options there are two that have a yellow cube, just a slightly different shade, so most people will not trust this icon to tell them what is currently selected. There are also other options that start with the same line of text, "Fixed size box", "Fixed size cylinder", "Fixed size tube", so the text doesn't tell us in and of itself either.
We might know which is default, but, hey, i like to make sure of things, because a mistake in manufacture will typically cost a cutter and or a job and or another aspect(s) of the machine, which could cost say $25 up to thousands of dollars.
The dialog box cannot be resized to make the full text visible.
So the next step might be to click on the down arrow to open the drop down menu, but even then it doesn't show which is selected. We have to either select the one we want, then we know what is selected, or work it out via deduction. We can see that the top line shows a bright cube, and we can then look down the list for a bright cube, then read across to the text, to find out what is selected.
Compare all this shenanigans to there not being icons and being able to read the full line of text in the first place, a quick glance and it would be very clear.
After having gone through this, writing this, i can see that the line does kind of read backwards, but actually, not really. The icon is a cube, but if somehow a person interprets that as a box, then the line reads 'box fixed siz'. But to me it reads 'icon fixed siz'. Others might read it as 'cube fixed siz'.
I just think it makes so much more sense to make it read 'Fixed size box'.
@rhetths wrote:
The dialog box cannot be resized to make the full text visible.
You sure about that?
@rhetths wrote:
After having gone through this, writing this, i can see that the line does kind of read backwards, but actually, not really. The icon is a cube, but if somehow a person interprets that as a box, then the line reads 'box fixed siz'. But to me it reads 'icon fixed siz'. (huh??) Others might read it as 'cube fixed siz'.
I just think it makes so much more sense to make it read 'Fixed size box'.
Huh? The text literally reads "Fixed Size Box".... Or are you suggesting people might mistake an icon as replacement for text? That seems a bit of a stretch. I mean, I know some folks read things in emoji, so is that your argument?
If this is our largest fault in icon choices, I'd say we're doing pretty good 😁
Seth Madore
Customer Advocacy Manager - Manufacturing
@seth.madore wrote:
@rhetths wrote:
The dialog box cannot be resized to make the full text visible.
You sure about that?
@seth.madore I'd missed they'd added the option to resize using the top left corner rather then having to undock to drag the bottom right. Now the only problem is Fusion doesn't remember the size the next time it's run!😞 Same with the browser, I quite often have long names and nested components so drag the browser wider but Fusion always resets.
Thanks Mark
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@HughesTooling wrote:
@seth.madore I'd missed they'd added the option to resize using the top left corner rather then having to undock to drag the bottom right. Now the only problem is Fusion doesn't remember the size the next time it's run!😞 Same with the browser, I quite often have long names and nested components so drag the browser wider but Fusion always resets.
Yeah, the lack of remembering window size is annoying. Let me ask around to see if this is an area we can improve in
Seth Madore
Customer Advocacy Manager - Manufacturing
@seth.madore wrote:
@rhetths wrote:
The dialog box cannot be resized to make the full text visible.
You sure about that?
@rhetths wrote:After having gone through this, writing this, i can see that the line does kind of read backwards, but actually, not really. The icon is a cube, but if somehow a person interprets that as a box, then the line reads 'box fixed siz'. But to me it reads 'icon fixed siz'. (huh??) Others might read it as 'cube fixed siz'.
I just think it makes so much more sense to make it read 'Fixed size box'.
Huh? The text literally reads "Fixed Size Box".... Or are you suggesting people might mistake an icon as replacement for text? That seems a bit of a stretch. I mean, I know some folks read things in emoji, so is that your argument?
If this is our largest fault in icon choices, I'd say we're doing pretty good 😁
Your dialog box can be resized, mine cant. Even when dialog boxes can be resized, having to resize them every time is a painful way for it to be.
Here are some more examples.
A tiny little icon of two cubes with light green on their tops, represents 'Chain'. I see no connection there. The icon is meaningless.
A tiny little icon of two cubes with medium green on their tops, represents 'Face Contours'. I see no connection there. The icon is meaningless.
@rhetths wrote:
We can probably assume..
You know what they say about assume..
Seth Madore
Customer Advocacy Manager - Manufacturing
