Bug. Sketch in drawings workspace.

[HughesTooling]

@ClintBrown3D 

In a sketch in the drawings workspace, I noticed you can not select a line to add a dimension if a dimension leader is on top of the line.

Can't select this line.

If I move the dimension it works fine. Also note dimensions in the sketch are in inches but in the drawing is mm. I know this is because I'm using the AMSE template but surely it should be possible to use the same units the drawing is set to?

In the example above I'm experimenting creating an accurate section line (see troubles in this thread because of projected vs aligned sections). What I notice is lacking is no way to parametrically reference geometry in the drawing. Need to be able to project lines etc. from the drawing into the sketch. I can snap to points but there's no link to the drawing so everything is floating.

I know there was a recent update that made the sketch in the drawing workspace parametric, are more features going to be added to make the sketch in the drawing workspace on a par with sketching in the design workspace? Like parameter manager etc.

Just noticed in my example after creating a section line on top ot the sketch I can no longer select the line in the sketch.

[ClintBrown3D]

Hi @HughesTooling 

 @sandip_dumbare is the drawings product manager, I have moved roles. I'm sure Sandip and @liang_chen (QA) will take a look for you.

[sayali_todkar]

Hi @HughesTooling 

We apologize for any inconvenience caused. I've reported the defect for both issues mentioned with the tracking ID FUS-196671:

1. Sketch line overlapping with dimension leader
2. Sketch line doesn't allow editing when overlapping with section line

For the second issue, you can try this workaround: Select the sketch node from the browser to highlight the line. Once line gets highlighted you can edit it. 

Please let me know if this workaround works for you or if you have any comments.

Thank you for your understanding and patience.

[HughesTooling]

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@sayali_todkar wrote:

Hi @HughesTooling 

For the second issue, you can try this workaround: Select the sketch node from the browser to highlight the line. Once line gets highlighted you can edit it. 

Please let me know if this workaround works for you or if you have any comments.

Thank you for your understanding and patience.

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Does work but selects all lines in the sketch. In this case I just wanted to change lines to hidden so worked OK.

Might be useful to have a line type that would not show in the drawing. Say construction line type for example.

[HughesTooling]

@sayali_todkar Could you take a look at this post and the thread please? We really need a way to create a section that is parametric and updates to match the model. So one thought would be could the section tool be enhanced so you could pick a polyline from a sketch either created in the design workspace or the drawings workspace?

Note the drawings workspace sketches are not parametric at the moment and would need the ability to create projected geometry from the drawing.

[anirudha_kul]

Hello Mark, Sorry to hear you are facing issues.

1. For the first issue/point related to dimension placement-This is a known behaviour where the leader is overlapping the line, so we are not able to select line. We will look into this.
2. For second issue/point related to Units-This is also a known behaviour. Currently, by default, the dimension values while drawing entities in the drawing sketch environment are shown as per document standard. For ISO documents, it is mm and ASME, its inch. We will investigate this issue.
3. For third issue/Point-These seems new improvements. @sandip_dumbare Can you please look into the requirements?

Thanks Sayali for providing workaround. Mark, it may be helpful for you for now.

Thanks & Regards,

Anirudha

[HughesTooling]

@anirudha_kul Could you take a look at the post I just made above yours please? This thread was really create because I was looking for an accurate way to create section views.

Thanks Mark

[sayali_todkar]

Hi @HughesTooling 

Thank you for your patience. If you are satisfied with the solution provided for the current issue, please click on "Accept Solution."

Regarding your query about the section view, we will get back to you shortly.

Thank you for your understanding.

Best regards,

Sayali

[sandip_dumbare]

@HughesTooling 
Hello Mark,

The current behavior is: 90 degree lines give orthographic projections. If any of the lines are not horizontal/vertical, the result is an aligned (unfolded) section. This is as designed.
Thanks for suggesting the enhancement. Every customer request that we get, from meetings, emails, forum posts etc. gets collected and categorized in our feature request database. This information is used to prioritize the features that we build next. I've added your request to our database.

[HughesTooling]

EDIT I tried to attach the file but the forum blocks the f3z file type!🤣

@sandip_dumbare You direct messaged me about the need for a parametric section that updates when the model is modified. I'm quite busy at the moment so don't have time to setup a meeting so I've made a model and drawing to demonstrate that I'll share here.

Take this for example.

First problem would be you would not be able to create this section at an angle and keep all the changes in direction at 90° because the section tool only snaps to vertical\horizontal. It does not snap to perpendicular to existing section lines.

To work around this problem you might want to try using a sketch within the drawings workspace but then you run into the problem that you can't project references from the drawing into the sketch, so when you try setting the sketch up everything moves. Also would not update with model changes.

I notice while trying to make the sketch in the drawing workspace the midpoint constraint is missing!

So to workaround the limitations is sketches in the drawing workspace the only option is to go back to the design workspace and create the sketch for the section.

This works OK and you can pick on the corner point to setup the section.

Trouble is if you modify the body the section has to be manually updated. Obvious if a big change but a small change to the design can catch you out.

I've attached my example drawing.

[HughesTooling]

@sandip_dumbare I just remembered I can change the file extension from f3z to zip and attach. Just make sure you change it back to f3z before uploading to your hub.