Trouble with Paste as New component editing

Trouble with Paste as New component editing

dgjsmith
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Trouble with Paste as New component editing

dgjsmith
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I have read through the various questions related to Paste as New but i cant find what i am looking for.

When I right click and copy a component from the browser and then Paste as new into the top level component I do indeed get a new component in the browser.

 

I can then move the newly created component within the design space and capture its new position.

 

However when I then try to go edit this new component by editing the sketch within the browser list for that new component the sketch jumps back to the the original component and its original location.

Surely this can't be correct, Have I missed something.

Thanks

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HughesTooling
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Yes that is correct because the sketch is before the move so editing will be done before the move.. 

 

First you should avoid using Move and use a joint instead. Using a joint you could roll the timeline back before the first sketch, enable the visibility of the component origin and create a joint between the component origin and the position you want the new component.

 

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davebYYPCU
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No I think you got it right.

 

Editing the sketch, is taken back to where and when it was created, so your Paste New Component, allows future edits, but editing the original sketch, will change all components using that sketch, due to the timeline, function and chronology.  

 

Better to create a new sketch, and Project earlier items into it.

 

Might help....

 

 

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g-andresen
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Hi,

From my point of view, the central problem is that when editing a sketch from a "new inserted" component, the original sketch is superimposed.
I then deactivate the origin component, make the changes and close the sketch. After that, the original component can be made visible again.

 

günther

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TrippyLighting
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@dgjsmith if you follow @HughesTooling's suggestion, you'll get exactly the behavior you'd expect. The sketch can be edited at the new location of the new component. 


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dgjsmith
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Thanks for the replies everyone.

In regards to Hughestooling response I'm not exactly sure what you mean. 

Are you saying that i should take the newly pasted component and joint it to another feature then edit it?

I have made a screen recording of the issue here https://www.loom.com/share/355c20330fae467699e4cd69af52e4ce

Thanks 

Derek

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dgjsmith
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@HughesTooling Ok I tried the jointing of the component in the design and again once I try and edit the sketch it jumps back to the original location, This is no use to me as I have a canvas that I have in the background that I need to edit this part to match.

Can see the behavior in this recording https://www.loom.com/share/0f79de5b2bd341bb94db7cca4ef7c8a4

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HughesTooling
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You didn't do what I said. You need to roll the timeline back before the sketch then add the joint, you might be able to drag the existing joint back along the timeline so it's before the sketch.

 

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dgjsmith
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Sorry I don't understand what you mean Mark, The component in the video is created ages back in the timeline, Its similar to another component I need but requires editing so I copied the component and pasted as new.

That new component has the bodies and sketch in the new item, so I need to edit the new sketch not the old one back in the timeline. 

Sorry if I am missing the point of what your saying.

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HughesTooling
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Just looked at your video and first thing I'd say is you should never use move and capture position as it will hit performance. When making assemblies you should use joints and avoid capture positions if at all possible. Seen lots of example of people using the capture position workflow but only seen one where it was the correct one.

 

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HughesTooling
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Do you have Hide all inactive features activated so when you activate a component the timeline only shows the features in that component? If you do, activate the component, roll the timeline back before the first sketch in the component and add your joint. Now when you step forward the sketch will stay anchored by the joint.

Here you can see how it should end up, where the first feature in the component is a joint. Then the sketch is created at the new position. 

Returns.jpg

 

If you need the sketch in it original position and then later you need it in a different position you can't do that in Fusion and you need to follow the advice from the others and just create another sketch after positioning the component.

 

Mark

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dgjsmith
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Hi Mark, Thanks for taking the time to reply, I am really not understanding the workflow you mention.

How can you create a joint before an item is created?

I sent a private message to you also.

Regards

 

Derek

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TrippyLighting
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You are NOT creating the joint before the item is created. "The item" is the component the sketch resides in,  not the sketch itself.

If you roll the timeline back to before the sketch is created, the component only hosts an origin. You can crate a joint between that origin and any other object a joint origin can snap to. The roll teh timeline back forward. The sketch is then created in the location of the new component. 


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dgjsmith
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I appreciate the reply but I just can't get my head round what you and mark are trying to say.

Is there any video examples of what you are saying that you could point me too?

Thanks

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g-andresen
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Hi,

Even if you should avoid move operations, they do not prevent you from editing the sketch of a "Paste New" component.
The obstacle is that the editing is done at the origin of the sketch. Although the active sketch is highlighted, it is easier to work if you deactivate the sketch of the origin component.

 

 

 

However, I would also appreciate it if editing could be done at the current location of the component.

 

 

günther

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dgjsmith
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Thanks that is the behaviour I am also experiencing. 
Surely the sketch belonging to the new component would be in the location of that component.

I could edit the sketch in the old location but I am modelling sketches from a canvas, and it makes no sense to keep moving that around because the sketch doesn't follow its component.

Regards

Derek

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g-andresen
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Hi,


@dgjsmith  schrieb:
...and it makes no sense to keep moving that around because the sketch doesn't follow its component.





1. If your canvas is in the origin component, you will return to it every time you edit.

2. Your edited sketch is always in its component and not at its origin.

 

I have made known my desire for change.

 

günther

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