Sketch loses its form when embossed to round object

Sketch loses its form when embossed to round object

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Sketch loses its form when embossed to round object

NVNDO
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Hey everyone, 

 

I encountered a very strange behavior today, the title says it all...

 

I sketched the above lines - which I then mirrored horizontally. 

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Those lines I then wanted to emboss on to the surface (tire)

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But I'm getting this strange glitch where the horizontally mirrored lines are not embossed correctly .

They curl and swivel..

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Has anyone any idea why this happens or how to mitigate it?

 

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jhackney1972
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The Forum needs your form, your model, in order to troubleshoot the issue.  Please attach it. 

 

If you do not know how to attach your Fusion 360 model follow these easy steps. Open the model in Fusion 360, select the File menu, then Export and save as a F3D or F3Z file to your hard drive. Then use the Attachments section, of a forum post, to attach it.

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NVNDO
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Hey John, sorry...

 

I just added the file for testing

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NVNDO
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It seems a wider issue than I thought.

 

Either embossing is just not made for self-created forms or the problem arises from the surface not being flat.

All lines are sharp and crisp.

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When embossed they all get smoothed down and start to wiggle randomly. 

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g-andresen
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Hi,

emboss  2 times and then create a circular pattern works

or disable "tangent chain" option

 

 

günther

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TrippyLighting
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This is a bug of sorts and should be reported as such @Phil.E 


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NVNDO
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@g-andresen Its weird... I erased the lines and started from scratch - which worked. everything was fine.

until I readjusted one line - resulting in the same behavior. Also, the more you fiddle around with those lines, the weirder the outcome gets. 

 

@TrippyLighting That's what I thought.. 

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Phil.E
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I've alerted the team that works on emboss. Has anyone tried fully constraining the sketch?





Phil Eichmiller
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Autodesk, Inc.


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NVNDO
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Hey @Phil.E 

 

I have just done that and it reacts the same way..

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In both directions..

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...

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The trick @g-andresen showed prior did not work for me. (extruding at first and then cutting)

 

What did work for me though, is cutting one at a time.

1st.

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2nd.

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richard.hallT2EK9
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Hi @NVNDO, apologies from development about this particular issue.

@g-andresen is correct in his two suggestions as workarounds for this problem.

If you deal with the profiles one-by-one, the algorithms actually extract more data from each one which leads to a more accurate result, even when the chaining is on. This will give you an appropriate emboss.
The alternative solution is to turn off the chaining as it imposes a hard limit on any extra face that needs to be incorporated into the embossing procedure. (In this particular example, the small bit of side fillet that it thinks is required is causing an issue with the flattening of the faces). If you select the two outer faces when the chaining is off, and then the two profiles, you will get the result that you desire.
Either of these workarounds will suffice, but, it would have been better to get what you wanted straightaway.
I will open a task so see whether this issue can be dealt with more intelligently, so thank you for the good example.




Richard Hall
Sr. Principal Engineer
Autodesk, Inc.

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NVNDO
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Hi @richard.hallT2EK9 thank you very much for investigating this and forwarding the issue.

A fix would have be great, but now I know how to go along when this happens. I will have to do some more of these tires, so time will tell if the workaround always works.

 

Side-note of another strange behavior: Fusion always gets set behind other open windows (like Opera in my case) when doing a "Safe as Mesh" on a Body in Solid workspace. Its super easy to replicate and (at least for me) the outcome is always the same. I then have to either minimize the window I then have on screen or select Fusion from the Task-bar again. Not a huge problem but pretty annoying. 

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g-andresen
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Hi,


@NVNDO wrote:

 

Side-note of another strange behavior: Fusion always gets set behind other open windows (like Opera in my case) when doing a "Safe as Mesh" on a Body in Solid workspace. Its super easy to replicate and (at least for me) the outcome is always the same. I then have to either minimize the window I then have on screen or select Fusion from the Task-bar again. Not a huge problem but pretty annoying. 


This is a known problem that occasionally occurs with various calculation actions of features.
Please create a separate thread for this so that it is not forgotten.

 

Günther

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richard.hallT2EK9
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Hi @NVNDO, as I'm the main author of the non-developable emboss functionality it will be my pleasure to try and get these things working out-of-the-box for you in the future. In the meantime, if you have any further issues with the embossing, then the most accurate way to deal with them is to handle profiles one-by-one and turn off any chaining so that you only pick the least (and most obvious) faces that you need to emboss onto. If that doesn't work then there almost certainly is a proper bug that needs to be addressed. Thanks again.




Richard Hall
Sr. Principal Engineer
Autodesk, Inc.