BUG - Hidden sketch objects can be selected

[C.Nicks]

I'm not sure if this is a bug or oversight, but sketch objects that are hidden can be selected and deleted.

With that behavior, I cannot hide projections, select all of the sketch lines and delete. It will take the hidden projections along with it.
There seems to be alot of issues with the way sketches are handled. There are many times when other hidden sketch documents have their profile selectable. You can also modify a sketch when it's not active, which, makes messing up sketches very easy if you're not careful.

Are these expected behaviors or actual bugs?

Hidden projections selectable: https://recordit.co/9QxDucXMux
Modifying sketches without being in sketch mode: https://recordit.co/tCGrNF9Qoz

[jeff_strater]

I'm not able to reproduce the selection of hidden sketches.  Are you sure the sketch itself is hidden, or is this geometry from a planar face that the sketch was created on?  If so, that is expected behavior.

Also, being able to drag sketch geometry is definitely intended behavior.  It is very useful to be able to drag sketches without having to edit the sketch.

[C.Nicks]

The first reference video is showing the selection of projected geometry that is hidden using the checkbox in the sketch palette. If the visibility is turned off, selection should not be possible. It's the whole reason I hid it in the first place, so I could just delete the normal sketch lines and not the projections.

The second video shows actually deleting sketch lines in a sketch while not in sketch mode. That can have major impacts in terms of breaking downstream features and is very error prone. If that is wanted/intended behavior I think it's quite hazardous. It's hard enough keeping everything happy in the timeline.
I would suggest adding a way to lock sketches to keep them from being edited outside of them. Just like the eye icon for visibility there could be a lock icon to keep them from being edited.

[jeff_strater]

thanks for the clarification.  Yes, I can verify the first behavior.  I agree that this is not desirable, but let me check with that team to make sure that this is intentional.

On the second topic, the ability to drag or delete geometry while not in sketch mode is definitely intentional.  We want the ability to do some editing without the cost of rolling back for sketch mode.

[TrippyLighting]

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@jeff_strater wrote:

On the second topic, the ability to drag or delete geometry while not in sketch mode is definitely intentional.  We want the ability to do some editing without the cost of rolling back for sketch mode.

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And that is definitely a feature!

It can be used to very great effect, although I think a lot of people don't get that. If done right, it allows you to finetune lofted surfaces almost similar to (direct) modeling with T-Splines. It is one of those things that make Fusion 360 very nice for concept development.

[C.Nicks]

Thanks for the insights on that. I'll have to check out more videos and look deeper into workflows.
I'm primarily working on parametric models and it's a bit hard to keep everything happy. This makes it so I have to constantly manage the visibility of sketches/bodies in order to edit and achieve my goals.
If you have any suggestions as to resources I should check out let me know.

I do still think there should be a way to lock objects from being edited/selected so they don't have to be hidden. Or maybe a way to have shortcuts/presets for selection filters.

[TrippyLighting]

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@C.Nicks wrote:

 Or maybe a way to have shortcuts/presets for selection filters.

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That would indeed be very helpful!

They are 2-3 mouseclicks hidden away and in result don't get the attention they deserve. 

[jlarsonLP454]

Any update on bug #1 referenced in this thread? I use projected geometry (in the form of construction lines) all the time, and I need to delete several instances of a circular pattern sitting above that projected geo. I was very surprised when my selection box grabbed all the hidden geo that I had turned off in the sketch palette. Looks like I need to tediously go through and select the geometry I want to delete line-by-line since I can't use a selection box? Please fix this!

[LarsRey]

Indeed.

I try to copy text on a sketch. Everything, other sketches, components, bodies... whatever are hidden. Only the actual sketch is visible. In spite of that when dragging over the text everything that is hidden shows up and gets marked as well. I have 30 text boxes with digits in a 45 degree angle in a rectangle. Do I really have to click on every each on them to be able to copy them without getting all the ghost sketches and bodies? Very annoying if it is so.

[davepetrides]

Hi Jeff,

Has there been any progress on this bug?  I can verify that it is still present in v2.0.18961.

[jeff_strater]

not that I am aware of, no.