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New style of saving posts is highly inefficient for saving files to different folders.

to3dornottobe
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New style of saving posts is highly inefficient for saving files to different folders.

to3dornottobe
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I have several machines, and i have more customers with repeatable work. I normally save the Gcode files to a general folder on the CNC machine in a customers folder and from there i go to the correct folder for the workpiece and store the Gcode for the correct opp in each of these subfolders.

 

With the old workflow i selected the CNC machines folder in the output, and after posting i could simple store the file in the required customer/workpiece folder with the storage dialog.

 

If i alter a file i am currently working on, (which was easy, since the last name was remembered in the post dialog) the machine asks me to use the updated file and I could move on.  

 

Now it doesn't show the folder selecting dialog any longer, and i am forced to open the file explorer every time i post a file. Nor is the last chosen name remembered, it always goes back to 1001. For my workflow it's highly inefficient and with the previous versions i could still select the old methodoligy, but with the new and hip version of march, that most convenient version is gone and i am forced to put more effort in every single file i post for the machines. 

 

Another thing that bugs me; i am using several machines and several PC's. In the passed the last selected machine was rememberd on each individual machine. Now it remembers the last machine used in my account. Not PC related. 

 

Like i said, highly inefficient. (and frustrating too) Any change there is a tickbox anywhere that enables me to select the old type of file storage? I am far from a fan of the current itteration. 

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HughesTooling
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@to3dornottobe wrote:

This 'solution' describes how terrible this entire thing is thought through; checking or unchecking it makes NO difference in the layout of the post screen.

 

In other words; that box doesn't 'work as advertised' so i am forced to use the highly crippled and most frustrating way of posting.

 

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If you're trying to get the old post dialog back that's the wrong setting.

It's this one.

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to3dornottobe
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That makes sense. I am the last person who doesn't admit he's wrong, but i thought it was called 'styling for the fusion manufacture dialogs' Not a weird error.. :slightly_smiling_face: But thanks. Why it reverted after an update just gives a feeling of 'get lost users, we dictate what is right for you'

 

Have you seen the video of the bug i just posted?

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seth.madore
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@to3dornottobe wrote:
Why it reverted after an update just gives a feeling of 'get lost users, we dictate what is right for you'

Wait...are you saying we don't? Well crap, there goes my plans for the weekend. :winking_face:

(that was a joke, btw)


Seth Madore
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HughesTooling
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@to3dornottobe wrote:

Why it reverted after an update just gives a feeling of 'get lost users, we dictate what is right for you'

 

Have you seen the video of the bug i just posted?


They did the same with the new tool library. Perhaps they gauge how well any improvements are working by the complaints on the forum when it's been switched back on!:grinning_face:

 

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seth.madore
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@HughesTooling wrote:

Perhaps they gauge how well any improvements are working by the complaints on the forum when it's been switched back on!:grinning_face:

 

Mark


There may be a bit of truth to that :face_with_tongue:


Seth Madore
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to3dornottobe
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LOL! I am on the other end, thinking there is more truth to that as fun, i'm not the type of person who is allergic for changes, but i am allergic for inefficient changes. Although i am willing to learn more efficient methods, i am more than open to that. But the video i've posted, do you see my problem?

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Thanks for the video. From what I can tell, you're seeing it remember the previously used post (in the other document) when you post a setup. I think that's expected, unless you use a pre-created NC program.

 

You could make a case that it should remember the last-used post *per document*, but it doesn't work that way, especially after you close the document.

 

My suggestion is to use the NC program workflow, which was intended to solve the issue of persisted post processing settings.

 

Jeff

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to3dornottobe
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How to use the nc programm workflow after you changed/altered the part or tools and you need to repost the nc program? 

 

Perhaps it's not been clear, but i simple hate this highly crippled 'solution'.

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engineguy
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@to3dornottobe 

 

Your Video is blurred but I can see enough to say try a different workflow, not any extra work and seems to do all that you are asking for, if it works here then I am pretty sure that it will work for you.

 

The three examples in the Screencast work fine, the Legacy Post Processing in "Preferences" is turned off so I worked only in the new NC Program mode.

Information input at the Setup creation carried through correctly, only Post Processors and Destination Folders needed to be changed but that is only a matter of navigating to them, not having to type them in.

Anyway, hope it helps, it is only a small change in workflow IMHO :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face:

 

Screencast link :- https://autode.sk/3NHUJKB

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to3dornottobe
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I thank you for taking your time for making the video's.

 

I uploaded a screencast here too in the earlier posts of the same issue, but that has a very low quality. 


In your case; The problem starts when you change your 6161  circle into a square, or change from T1, a 6mm tool to T2, a 16mm tool.  You have to repost the nc code.  in that case it's higly likely that the wrong machine/outputfolder etc is being presented. (the last selected data is being used) if that was simple saved in the file itself it would make more sense.

 

 

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to3dornottobe
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OK, i see the issue; if you have a boatload of NC files for 1 part, there is no way to organize.  It would be convenient if the filename of the nc program would correspond with the setup file name. 

 

This might be handy.. The only thing i see as an issue; if i machine a sheet with 10 parts, and 1 part is wrong, i need to create a new setup, with the single part. In that case i do need to recheck and set all the settings. In that case it is more sensitive to mistakes.

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@to3dornottobe 

 

In your case; The problem starts when you change your 6161 circle into a square, or change from T1, a 6mm tool to T2, a 16mm tool. You have to repost the nc code. in that case it's higly likely that the wrong machine/outputfolder etc is being presented. (the last selected data is being used) if that was simple saved in the file itself it would make more sense.

 

Makes no difference if I change the design in Design Mode or change Tools in Manufacture Mode the file settings remain the same, no change of PP, Destination or File name etc, all those are the same all the time.

 

if you have a boatload of NC files for 1 part, there is no way to organize. It would be convenient if the filename of the nc program would correspond with the setup file name.

 

Why would there be a "boatload" of NC files, only ever needs a single NC file where the Setups/Operations are Posted/Not Posted as required and just sent to a specific Destination folder with a new name and even a new PP.

 

Yes, of course there has to be something for the NC Program to "Default" to which may or may not need changing, for example the Post Processor may be the only one the user actually uses and only has a single folder for all NC Programs then that will be great as those areas will be populated right from the start, if there are a few PPs needed for different machines then as has already been suggested set a "Machine" in the Setup with an associated PP so it will default to that PP.

Or, a simple creation in the Local Post Processor (Or Cloud) of a Folder containing only the Post Processors used in those files, as in my example the Sixty One/Sixty Two/Sixty Three Post Processors could be placed in a Folder named "Sixty one-two-three" so they could be quickly and easily found and set.

 

Is it a good or a bad thing that there are so many ways of using the new NC Program system ?? Who knows, folks will go the way they are most comfortable with :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face:

 

As with all CadCAM softwares the user usually has to spend a LOT of time getting it set up to suit their "shop" workflows, can be a real "head scratcher" for sure :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face:

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I also make custom furniture. 

 

Each piece contains 6-20 setups. I cut parts from 3-10 boards, each board has about 2-10 pieces. Some pieces require a 2nd opp. Each 2nd opp requires a different setup, since i have 1 reference point (registration popup pins) on the machine for g54 x0y0.  So there you have the boatload of setups.

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HughesTooling
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@engineguy  have you setup machines with your post preferences? If the setup has a machine set, all the settings are automatically setup so the NC Programs really add nothing for me apart from typing in file names. I post to 8 different CNCs to different post folders so the machine in the setup saves a lot of time. I would actually find the NC Programs useful if I had some way to manage them in folders. Guess I could buy a 40 inch monitor and set it up vertically to give enough height for the browser. :grinning_face:

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to3dornottobe
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And how to you manage to put files for returning work in subfolders for certain customers? If there only was a checkbox that would open a file explorer.. 

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Is there a way to make a checkbox in this 'new and improved' post feature to have the explore open up when a file is being saved? I could always get around with the old legacy version, but now this has been retired and i am no longer able to work as quickly as before. I need to open a seperate explorer window each time i want to put files into different subfolders on my machine. 

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@to3dornottobe 

 

Legacy version is still there under your Preferences, probably just gets turned off at updates :slightly_smiling_face:

 

Having said that it would be advisable to get to know the "new" system, reckon the "legacy" will disappear eventually.

I don`t have any issue with the "new" system although it does require a slightly different workflow :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face:

 

Life is just one great learning curve :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face:

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to3dornottobe
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I am  capable of adjusting to new situations, but it's like being used to enter a car through the door and now you need to enter the car through the trunk.

 

Highly inefficient. 

 

And every time you went to the garage for something else, they tack weld the door to remind you that sooner or later you have to use the trunk. And a kind reminder that the trunk is the only offered method to enter the car in the future is driving my system in the deep red with all unwanted emotions i can't express here without the risk of a permanent ban or loosing my relatives call me Mr Sunshine. Call it blind arrogance that i want to enter my vehicle through a side door instead of the trunk, i call it plain arrogant that the trunk gets shoved down my throat sooner or later and that the default save to location dialog is gone..

 

It might work for some users, but i do mis the 'show browser' feature to make me able to still brows through the folders on my CNC machine for organising convenience.

 

 

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engineguy
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@to3dornottobe 

 

Hey, no need to "shoot the messenger" :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face: :slightly_smiling_face:

 

Not sure exactly what is the issue, you can access the Explore in both versions just by using the correct button :slightly_smiling_face:

First image below is the "Legacy" version, there you have two buttons, the Red one on the right opens the Folder specified in the Diaolog box, the Blue one on the Left when clicked takes you to the "Explore" where you can browse to anywhere on the computer and/or any attached HDD(CNC) etc.

Selecting Output Folder-Legacy.jpg

 

OK so far, now we go the "New" system, again we have two buttons but they are transposed, the one for opening the designated folder is on the Left in Red and the one for opening the Explore is on the Right in Blue so I am not seeing any difference in the ability to access the computer/attached HDD (CNC) etc.

Selecting Output Folder.jpg

 

 

Summary, I don`t see any extra "clicks" required, you can still access anything/anywhere as before, click on one button to go to the Explore and click on one button to open the designated folder.

 

Hope I have this correct for you ???

If you are having a particular issue accessing anything can you please be a little more specific and I am sure that someone from Autodesk will jump in to solve any problems that you have in your particular workflow :slightly_smiling_face:

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That changes the default output folder for the NC files. So every time you store a document it start there and you have to alter that default location before you save a file.

 

On the old version i had the \\cncmachine-on-network\workfolder default output selected. It opened the browser and if i had work for a specific customer i browse from there to the according customer. one-off work is stored right in the root of the controller and that folder is cleaned every week with a scheduler. 

 

Most/every software that I know (that isn't storing files on the cloud by default) opens a  browse feature when storing files, to enable the ease of the the build in windows file explorer or the mac finder.  

 

A simple tickbox with 'use file explorer' would be helpfull in this new environment. (but i don't expect anything helpful to happen at all).  (good think about being sceptical is that your either right or the outcome surprises you in a positive way) 

 

 

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