How do i delete a tool from "Documents"?

[rhetths]

How do i delete a tool from "Documents"?

The only thing i can find looks brutal . . .

I think "documents" should be renamed, instead, the file name should be there.

[mattdlr89]

Your documents is collapsed. Click the arrow to the left of it and it will expand showing each of the files and their setups you have open. 

[christopher.cooperVHK2N]

@rhetths If you have finished creating toolpaths you can use the 'Broom' Icon at the top of the main window to remove all unused tools from the document. Select the document on the left and either right click and select from the menu or use the other icon in the main window. You will get the same warning and it does sound brutal but we want to make it clear that you cannot recover the tool.

If you are unsure if you want the tool long term then drag and drop it into another library. This will create another instance for the future.

[rhetths]

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@christopher.cooperVHK2N wrote:

@rhetths If you have finished creating toolpaths you can use the 'Broom' Icon at the top of the main window to remove all unused tools from the document. Select the document on the left and either right click and select from the menu or use the other icon in the main window. You will get the same warning and it does sound brutal but we want to make it clear that you cannot recover the tool.

If you are unsure if you want the tool long term then drag and drop it into another library. This will create another instance for the future.

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I don't understand.  I own physical cutters, that i use, and i input them into my local library so i can do toolpaths with them.  That is how machinists do things as far as i am aware.  It certainly works for me.  So if i no longer need to use a cutter to toolpath a particular job and want to remove it from the "Document", of course i don't want to de-input the cutter from Fusion.

Are you saying Fusion lacks this critical feature? 

[rhetths]

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@mattdlr89 wrote:

Your documents is collapsed. Click the arrow to the left of it and it will expand showing each of the files and their setups you have open. 

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In other words, in answer to my question, the answer is no?

What does the term "Documents" mean in this context?  I just don't get it.  My impression is that i have one file, with the possibility of one or more setups?

[christopher.cooperVHK2N]

@rhetths I am not sure I follow you - critical feature?

The tool in the document is an instance of a tool which was made when you selected it from a local/cloud/sample library to be used in a toolpath. 

If you delete the tool in the document then the original one will remain in the library as the tools are not linked.

[rhetths]

Okay, so my point now is, when i click on the mop, it gives me the impression the tool will be completely deleted from fusion.  The message should say it will be deleted from "Documents" (whatever that means).

[guilherme.awv]

You're missing the basic concept of Fusion tool library, tools are not linked between libraries, if you delete from your setup page, it will not affect the instance in your main tool library. And Just get used to the term "Documents", you're overthinking, no benefit in changing that

[Stuart-H]

dito 

its just the file for your job 

alter the sketches in the job it does not delete them from the rest of the jobs

in the documents for the job ( think box to put it in ) you may see a tool same number referenced more than once because its used in say 2d adaptive and 2d contour that why you see the same tool listed twice 

the document is its own entity and is not linked to the tool libraries you put them in not fusion

[rhetths]

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@guilherme.awv wrote:

You're missing the basic concept of Fusion tool library, tools are not linked between libraries, if you delete from your setup page, it will not affect the instance in your main tool library. And Just get used to the term "Documents", you're overthinking, no benefit in changing that

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The mop says "You are about to permanently delete 1 tool from the tool library".

It should say, 'You are about to permanently delete 1 tool from the Documents tool library'.

Or, 'You are about to permanently delete 1 tool from the *insert file name* tool library'.

[rhetths]

I see now that if i have more than one file open they all appear under the heading 'Documents'.  Therefore, rather than use the term 'Documents', an appropriate term would be 'Files'.  Its no wonder i never looked at it.

Having said that, i don't see the point of having the category of 'Documents' at all, why not just list all open file names?  Maybe because if someone has a heap of files open it would push the local and cloud libraries down off the screen and they would need to be scrolled to.

TOOL LIBRARIES

file name one

file name two

local

cloud

[guilherme.awv]

I disagree, the software is super user friendly, easy to use, you do know how delete function behaves and do know that "documents" is your file. 

So why spending hours here trying to change something that will have a 0.001% impact? You know how to use the software, just use it, if we had 100 people asking to change a function name or a page layout, autodesk would hire 5 more software engineers ans raise the software cost, for minimal benefit. There are many other features that needs huge improvements, ie: turning.

I'm glad Fusion has a forum where users can contribute and propose changes, most software won't.

Other good people tried to help you here and some other posts, you just don't want to accept and move on, this is not a real issue, there is a workflow that works but you don't want to incorporate it

Best regards

[rhetths]

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@guilherme.awv wrote:

I disagree, the software is super user friendly, easy to use, you do know how delete function behaves and do know that "documents" is your file. 

So why spending hours here trying to change something that will have a 0.001% impact? You know how to use the software, just use it, if we had 100 people asking to change a function name or a page layout, autodesk would hire 5 more software engineers ans raise the software cost, for minimal benefit. There are many other features that needs huge improvements, ie: turning.

I'm glad Fusion has a forum where users can contribute and propose changes, most software won't.

Other good people tried to help you here and some other posts, you just don't want to accept and move on, this is not a real issue, there is a workflow that works but you don't want to incorporate it

Best regards

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I have been using the program for 3 years.  I had a simple way of doing it and was happy enough, although there was some repetitious elements, but now fusion wasted money getting programmers to create false error messages.  I am trying to work out how it is intended to be done and if that is better than the way i was doing it, but am finding it obtuse.  I still haven't sorted out the expected workflow of tool libraries.

As i have been working in Fusion i have been creating toolpaths in the main screen, and unbeknownst to me Fusion has been automatically creating stuff in a dialog box i never looked at or needed, and Fusion isn't telling me or explaining itself in any way.  Burrowing through multiple dialog boxes and trying to decipher things occurring i am not privvy to just isn't intuitive.  That is not a user friendly aspect of the program.

[rhetths]

What is the difference between the mop and the trashcan?

[engineguy]

@rhetths 

The difference is exactly what it says, the "Mop" will clear out any Tools that are not assigned to an Operation, the "Trash Can" allows you to delete a specific tool without disturbing anything else 🙂 🙂

[rhetths]

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@engineguy wrote:

@rhetths 

The difference is exactly what it says, the "Mop" will clear out any Tools that are not assigned to an Operation, the "Trash Can" allows you to delete a specific tool without disturbing anything else 🙂 🙂

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The mop doesn't say it will delete all unused tools, it says _any_ tool, so i expected i would still need to select tools to delete.

I can't say what the trash can says because its not currently available for some reason in the file i am using to look at it.  But when i looked at it recently it seemed like i would similarly be making selections.

It seems i am confident enough to try the mop now . . . . 

It's quite confusing, previously i was only dealing with one tool library plus toolpath cutter settings.  Now there is added to that seemingly three more library's, with a wealth of possible invisible connections between them all.

[engineguy · Accepted solution]

@rhetths 

Just stick with what you know and keep on using your "Local" library, it is the best place to put all your tools, they are much less likely to get "messed with" by Fusion Updates 🙂 🙂 🙂

Yes, the wording could be better for the "Mop", think it should say "any and all unused tools" will be removed 🙂

[ktorokU233T]

Delete any tool IN THE SELECTED LIBRARY WHICH ARE NOT USED IN ANY OPERATIONS

You must select an individual document which contains at least 1 unused tool in one setup. And yes, it will delete ALL unused tools in the document if the document level is selected, or just the unused tools in a setup in a document if the individual setup in a document is selected. So you are correct, it does not say "delete all unused tools", but is rather clear once you understand documents, libraries, and the interaction between them.

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The mop doesn't say it will delete all unused tools, it says _any_ tool, so i expected i would still need to select tools to delete.

I can't say what the trash can says because its not currently available for some reason in the file i am using to look at it.  But when i looked at it recently it seemed like i would similarly be making selections.

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You must select an individual tool in a library for delete to become active.

[rhetths]

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@ktorokU233T wrote:

Delete any tool IN THE SELECTED LIBRARY WHICH ARE NOT USED IN ANY OPERATIONS

You must select an individual document which contains at least 1 unused tool in one setup. And yes, it will delete ALL unused tools in the document if the document level is selected, or just the unused tools in a setup in a document if the individual setup in a document is selected. So you are correct, it does not say "delete all unused tools", but is rather clear once you understand documents, libraries, and the interaction between them.

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The mop doesn't say it will delete all unused tools, it says _any_ tool, so i expected i would still need to select tools to delete.

I can't say what the trash can says because its not currently available for some reason in the file i am using to look at it.  But when i looked at it recently it seemed like i would similarly be making selections.

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You must select an individual tool in a library for delete to become active.

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In this screenshot i have it seems there was a cutter selected, possibly accidentally, and i think mop was clicked, but i cannot recall for sure.  It uses the term "Tool Library", so it looks scary, like all tool data will be gone.

[martha.deans]

Hi folks, thanks for all the above discussion, it's interesting to hear how different users interpret the messages we put in product! 

The reason the wording is written as is, is because we have no idea if the tool you are deleting from the document library exists elsewhere in the tool library. It's the most common workflow for users to create tools and manage them in their user libraries, and then select those tools to get copied into the document library. However, there is nothing stopping a user from creating a tool directly in the document library. 

So to say it is being deleted only from the document library is true, but we can't guarantee that there is another instance of the tool in a user library (Cloud or Local) – so it's the safest option for us to treat it as a unique tool that may only exist within the document, and also say (correctly) that that instance is being deleted from the Tool Library as a whole. 

Hope that helps some!