Should total tolerance (tolerance+smoothing) be set to the machine's precision ?

Should total tolerance (tolerance+smoothing) be set to the machine's precision ?

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Should total tolerance (tolerance+smoothing) be set to the machine's precision ?

chrisQX8DX
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hey everyone ... a quick general question about using the tolerance and smoothing srttings. I understand the concepts and have been using tolerance and smoothing quite a bit but am wondering about the tolerance settings.

 

So i'm working on a machine that per manufacturers specs has a precision of 0,05mm. Since the maximum deviation is calculated as tolerance + smoothing tolerance .. does that mean i should always aim for a total tolerance in Fusion of 0,05mm as well .. so tolerance of 0,025mm and smoothing tolerance of 0,025mm ? or are the tolerance settings and machine precision not really related ? if they are not directly related does it make sense to choose a tolerance which is smaller that the machines precision when optimising gcode for a specific operation ?



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HughesTooling
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I'd say the ops tolerance is not related to the machine accuracy. What are you machining and what ops are you using smoothing in? A lot of 2d ops will only use smoothing for splines or in 2d adaptive clearing where the total tolerance wants to be less then the stock to leave (adaptive clearing). Really the tolerance in the op will depend on what tollereces the job requires.

 

If you test out just creating a rectangle with filleted corners and create a 2d profile it will post out at the max accuracy the post is set to, don't think the tolerance in the op makes any difference. If the profile is just lines and arcs the smoothing shouldn't have any effect, but I have occasionally seen smoothing mess up small details. 

 

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seth.madore
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Tolerance and Smoothing do go hand-in-hand, but as for pairing them to machine accuracy, that's not something I would encourage. If one has a very accurate machine and sets their tolerance and smoothing (across all possible toolpaths), the end result (while quite accurate) is going to be agonizingly long for calculation. Of course, this also depends on the sort of work being done: general surfacing or mold work have vastly different requirements.


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chrisQX8DX
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hey Mark, thx for your answer ... it was more of a general question for me to understand when and how to use smoothing parameters ... not really related to a specific part yet. But i'm mostly doing 3d organic shapes from both sides. On my machine at home i have found my ideal tolerance and smoothing settings for most operations i use but on this new machine i'll have to dig into this again.

 

I am working on a new machine and have some issues getting the machine to runs smoothly without stutter on a 2d contour with this new machine and i'm still wading through the forum and doing tests with smoothing and tolerance on the machine to figure out where exactly the hitch is and if tolerance and smoothing is related and/or helpful to make the machine run smoothly. The machine is poorly configured and it might also be a mach3 CV issue as well. But I will post this issue as a separate thread with some example files, i think it's also related to an issue you described in another thread as a very old bug. I'm going te be running another series of tests later today and setting up the machine properly so hopefully i'lll be able to post about this issue tomorrow.



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HughesTooling
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There used to be a problem with 2d profile cutting on the outside of splines. Not sure it that's been fixed but it was only a problem using in computer compensation. The toolpath was created by offsetting the linearised curve but also adding corner rounding so you ended up with a short line then an arc then another short line, all the switching between lines and arc tended to cause problems on the machine.

 

Can you share an example of a design where you're getting stuttering? Try using in control compensation, don't forget to setup the tool table on your machine to match the cutters.

 

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HughesTooling
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@chrisQX8DX wrote:

But i'm mostly doing 3d organic shapes from both sides.


 

Something else to note is arc fitting tends to only work well on 3d contour and Parallel. Any movement in all 3 axis will stop arc fitting so although it can work with scallop any areas where the path is not parallel to the XY will not arc fit so you might not want to use it as it increases toolpath generation time.

 

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chrisQX8DX
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@seth.madore wrote:

Tolerance and Smoothing do go hand-in-hand, but as for pairing them to machine accuracy, that's not something I would encourage. If one has a very accurate machine and sets their tolerance and smoothing (across all possible toolpaths), the end result (while quite accurate) is going to be agonizingly long for calculation. Of course, this also depends on the sort of work being done: general surfacing or mold work have vastly different requirements.


the reason why i often try to not have a deviation that is greater than my machines tolerance is that i often cut things that need to fit/slot together, either for making jigs, moulds or components that will be assembled together later. Also when i make objects that have parts that are extremely thin (say 0.2mm thickness when machined/finished) i have learned that too much deviation due to a high total tolerance (much higher than my machines accuracy so for example 0.2mm tolerance and 0.2mm smoothing with a machine accuracy of 0.03mm) can be problematic and result in an inacurate surface or artefacts in the toolpaths. I usually aim for an accuracy of +/- 0.1mm.



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chrisQX8DX
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hey Mark, i created a new thread for the stuttering problems with all the details and example files:

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/fusion-360-manufacture/problem-with-stuttering-motors-when-posting-2d...



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