Manufacturing Extension - Inspection Probing

[bmxjeff]

Just got the Inspection Probing op setup. Noticed it requires a new Post Processor. For me it's the Next Gen Haas Milling post. I've attached The error it generating in the NC file. Are there setting I'm overlooking? Thanks!

[seth.madore · Accepted solution]

So uhhh.....get this:

You need an Inspection post processor for this to actually work. And.....we only have them for Fanuc, Siemens and Heidenhein at the moment >.<

The post team is working on it, hopefully I have a better answer for you before long....

[bmxjeff]

There's some fine print for ya! : ) 

I assumed the post processors did not have that functionality. So, I looked before I bought and saw this. 

5/24/2019

Added support for advanced probing functionalities in Haas next generation post. (#113)

I also then presumed that this was inspection probing. (Fail) I am not disappointed. You guys were gracious enough to give me 1000 credits. I'm just trying to get these things on the forum so they are are available.

Solid update! I'm getting excited about the direction of Fusion.

[nick_p3dcreations]

Interesting. So there's not a dedicated inspection post template or a working HAAS inspection post yet?

[seth.madore]

That is correct. The issue is that Haas itself has blocked the ability to probe in 3+2 with DWO turned on. From what I gather, it's a control limitation. The post team is working hard at figuring a way around that..

However, the Haas post has been updated for the "Probe Geometry" functionality, and that should appear "soon".

[sunderlandjoe]

If this is only a 3+2 DWO problem why not release a post that will work for a 3 and 4 axis NGC with DWO turned off and add the workaround when you figure out a way around it?

[seth.madore]

That's where the discussion is at now 😉

[nick_p3dcreations]

Excellent. I need just need 3 axis HAAS Classic (Coldfire I specifically) but I can totally adapt a 3/4 axis NGC post if that's what shows up. Minor tweaks and transposing my customizations I can handle, writing all new logic for this is maybe beyond me. I suppose I will need to see if my control can save to a file on my network drive, else I guess I'll need to hook up a serial server and DPRNT all the data (totally doable, just not as elegant....I'll buy a new machine one day 🙂 )

[Anonymous]

Seth, checking to see how the  Inspection post processor for Haas is coming along?

[nick_p3dcreations]

I saw a haas post specifically for surface inspection in the library, but it didn't seem to work when I did a quick test yesterday.  I got an error about the probe operation being below the minimum spindle speed, then when editing the post to allow 0rpm on surface inspection it gave a different error (not at pc now to look it up).

There is a dropdown for classic vs ngc, so looks like maybe there will just be one post to do it all? The regular haas post looks like it might work for the geometry probing though. I don't get errors,  so I just need to finish the hardware setup to see if I can receive inspection data. I was expecting to see dprnt in the program, but after reading the renishaw inspection plus manual I realized the W value at the end of the probing line is asking to "print " the information and the probe program should handle that. I will dig further. 

I like what I see so far though. IMO still a little pricey for the current level of development and documentation,  but there is potential. 

[nick_p3dcreations]

Ran a quick test using the HAAS (Pre NGC) post (version 42371) and just probed my vise versus my vise model. It took handful of tests to wrap my head around what it was doing and why, but on my 2006 VM3 it looks like we're up and running! Data received over serial at 9600 baud (long cable, to be fixed) with PuTTY. This will totally work for starters, and I will look for a better solution going forward as far as managing all of this data (automatically dropping this into a CSV by component, for example) and interrogating the machine for status data at the same time. 

So far so good though. Thanks guys!

-------------------------------------------------------------------
   COMPONENT NO 7                   FEATURE NO 2
-------------------------------------------------------------------
SIZE Y0.0000   ACTUAL -0.0002   TOL 0.0200  DEV -0.0002

-------------------------------------------------------------------
   COMPONENT NO 8                   FEATURE NO 1
-------------------------------------------------------------------
SIZE D5.8380   ACTUAL 5.8754   TOL 0.0200  DEV 0.0374

          +++++OUT OF TOL+++++ ERROR 0.0174

POSN X-0.0006   ACTUAL 0.0062   TOL TP 0.0200  DEV 0.0068
POSN Y1.9956   ACTUAL 0.0000   TOL TP 0.0200  DEV 0.0000

>Q100
S/N, <hidden>
>Q101
SOFTWARE, VER M14.05B
>Q102
MODEL, VM3
>Q104
MODE, (LIST PROG)
>Q200
TOOL CHANGES, 224373
>Q201
USING TOOL, 25
>Q300
P.O. TIME, 21344:45:06
>Q301
C.S. TIME, 06471:14:19
>Q303
LAST CYCLE, 000:00:57
>Q304
PREV CYCLE, 000:00:57
>Q400
UNKNOWN
>Q402
M30 #1, 178
>Q403
M30 #2, 178
>Q500
PROGRAM,O002100,IDLE,PARTS,178
>Q600 185
MACRO, 4294967295, INVALID
>Q600 190
MACRO, 190,       0.006800
>Q600 195
MACRO, 195,       0.006800
>Q600 196
MACRO, 196,       0.018700
>Q600 193
MACRO, 193,       0.037400
>Q600 198
MACRO, 198,       0.000000
>Q600 199
MACRO, 199,       0.000000
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------
   COMPONENT NO 9                   FEATURE NO 1
-------------------------------------------------------------------
POSN Z-0.0200   ACTUAL -0.0499   DEV -0.0299

-------------------------------------------------------------------
   COMPONENT NO 10                   FEATURE NO 1
-------------------------------------------------------------------
POSN Z-0.0200   ACTUAL -0.0499   DEV -0.0299

-------------------------------------------------------------------
   COMPONENT NO 11                   FEATURE NO 1
-------------------------------------------------------------------
POSN Z-0.0200   ACTUAL -0.0499   DEV -0.0299

-------------------------------------------------------------------
   COMPONENT NO 12                   FEATURE NO 1
-------------------------------------------------------------------
POSN Z0.0000   ACTUAL 0.0000   DEV 0.0000

[Richard.stubley]

Hi Nick,

Can you let me know the post properties you have changed from the HAAS next Gen Inspect surface post available and I will see if I can see the error you were getting. I thought I had caught all the scenarios where the 0 spindle speed would have been shown but maybe not.
Also the project would be helpful too if you have it available.

Really happy to hear you have this up and runing, I will appreciate any and all feedback you have on this as its a new concept we have bought to Fusion. 

[Richard.stubley]

Probe: this is the WCS probing we all know and love. Setting the WCS based on probing results utilizing the inbuilt cycles on the machine.

Probe geometry: This expands on the functionality available in the machines in built cycles for actions to take place based on the measurements taken. It also include a print function, we are just switching on the Renishaw print function in this case so unfortunately we cant modify the report they provide.

Inspect surface: Allows the user to probe points anywhere on the surface (Providing the probe can reach) at the end of the inspection sequence there will be a printed results file (DPRNT for your case) this is imported back into Fusion and will display the probe results directly on the model. The key one with Inspect surface is we don’t use canned cycles that is why the posted code will look very different, it contains all the moves normally in the cycles you are used to calling. The main reason behind this is the flexibility it gives us in being able to control the probing routine in more detail.

Hopefully this makes sense but shout up if you have any more questions and I will do my best to answer.

[cleriej]

Any Idea on timing for a post processor for Hurco VMC that includes probing?

[Richard.stubley]

Hi James,

Probing in Fusion now has 2 different types, are you requesting the Probe WCS and Probe Geometry or the inspect surface?

I can't comment on timescales but we are working on the main posts for inspect surface currently, at the moment we have HAAS NGC, Fanuc, Siemens, Heidenhain live and available, I will look into adding the changes required for the Hurco, in addition we are also writing documentation to guide users on porting the functionality over to posts that currently don’t have the probing support if they so wish.

[cleriej]

Both WCS and inspection is what I looking for a guide to edit current post would be great.

[cleriej]

Any update on a time frame for the Hurco post?

[seth.madore]

Adding additional machine posts to our Inspection Post Library is quite high on the priority list for the Post Development team. They have been working on the documentation and will be using this to create the post processor for the Hurco machines ASAP. 

[pankersmit]

Hello, I would like to use the Inspection Probing feature but before giving you my money would like to know if it will work. I found the new Haas next gen post processor with the Inspection Probing feature. Can i find some information / documentation how to set this up and is a trail possible?

Thanks!

[Richard.stubley]

Hi @pankersmit,

I don't think there is a trial possible but I can help in looking if your machine is compatible. 

Sorry about all the questions but it will save lots of messages.

Haas Machine:

Haas Controller NGC / Classic:

HAAS Age:

Number of axis:

Probe Make and model:

How do you calibrate the probe:

Have you ever used the DPRNT before:

This should give me a good idea of your setup.