Hole Recognition Questions

Hole Recognition Questions

a.laasW8M6T
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Hole Recognition Questions

a.laasW8M6T
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So seeing as I have the manufacturing extension I thought I'd look at using hole recognition.

 

So far I'm not really seeing how this would work well for me but I may be doing things wrong.

 

So I'd mostly like to use for tapped holes, my current workflow is as follows.

  1. Drill hole with solid carbide drill, everything above M5 we are drilling 0.1mm oversize in stainless steel.
  2. Chamfer with 2D chamfer, this avoids having multiple spot/countersink tools in the machine.
  3. Tap
  • From what I can see I can't use 2D Chamfer in hole recognition, I also cant seem to force circular to work either.(our models do not have chamfers modelled on holes from our design dept)
  • What I would like is to automatically rename the operation with the drill size, so rather than having Drill1 I want it to rename to Drill 4.2mm for example, and for tapping Tap M5 etc, this is useful with the Section View in Heidenhain as it displays the name from the operation.
  • Can I get it to select a 10.3mm drill for a Modelled 10.2mm hole?
  • In some cases I have also long series solid carbide drills for other applications and HSS drills in the same sizes as the solid carbides in my tool library, How do I ensure the right tool is selected?
  • Feed and speed presets, how can I tell fusion which material I am machining to it knows which preset to pick?, currently it seems to default to the top of the list which isn't very helpful. 

Basically I don't want to be going into every operation once hole recognition creates them to select the correct preset, and then rename each operation correctly, from what I can see hole recognition offers me no advantages really, by the time I've picked all the strategies etc. then made all the edits I could have just as easily created all the tool paths from scratch.

 

I'm open to suggestions though as it could potentially be a real time saver, just not as I'm currently interpreting it.

 

(The multi axis functionality looks promising though as going through setting tool orientation all the time is tedious)

 

Cheers Andrew

 

 

 

 

 

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marcus.toepke
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Hello!
I have the same problem as you!
I want to drill, chamfer and then tap.
For the chamfering of the hole I would use a 90° conical countersink.

 

I have tried to solve the problem with drilling diameters 0.1mm larger by editing the Fusion thread table so that the core hole size already corresponds to how I want to drill, but somehow Hole Recognition does not recognise this correctly. 
To keep the table always up to date I use the Thraedkeeper

 

I hope anyone can bring light in this!

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marcus.toepke
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Has anything happened in the meantime?
I'm afraid that the "Hole Recognition" is considered finished.

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a.laasW8M6T
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Hi

 

nothing new to report with the current iteration of Hole recognition.

Its not been forgotten though, that's about all I can say on the subject🤐

 

I haven't used it since I made this post almost 3 years ago

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marcus.toepke
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I once had a telephone conversation with an Autodesk support employee a long time ago and he wanted to promote Hole recognition.

When I told him that the thing was completely useless in reality, he was really shocked!

I really think they think they've developed something great with it!


I mean, the idea is really good, but there's a lack of flexibility in the whole thing, as if they'd stopped halfway through development.

A real pity

 

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seth.madore
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I'll fill in a little bit of info that @a.laasW8M6T hinted at.

We are actively working on bringing some really nice improvements to Hole Recognition and the Hole Templates that it's based on. This is active or near future development, so I'm hopeful that we'll see some needed additions in the coming months. 


Seth Madore
Customer Advocacy Manager - Manufacturing


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a.laasW8M6T
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CRANDALLPRECISION
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Lets make sure there is the option to have the ability to chamfer the holes with chamfer mill not just a spot or countersink. I have modified rules in place but still have to pick the geometry for that toolpath for each hole.

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programming2C78B
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I also tried and heavily disliked it. For now, I just save a template for "form tap m5" that loads a spot drill with proper depth to chamfer, drill with the tip length set as my bottom height modifier, and a form tap with the lead-in as my bottom modifier. I just select the holes and prest-o i am done-o

Ony big bummer is that Hole Top does NOT factor in any modelled chamfer - this is something we have to look out for as some customers do and do not model them - I've started actually selecting the chamfer itself as my "hole" to prevent things being too deep.

Please click "Accept Solution" if what I wrote solved your issue!
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marcus.toepke
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@seth.madore 
Sounds good so far

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