Direction not supprted - Samsung mill-turn

Direction not supprted - Samsung mill-turn

alexander.lewisHF698
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Direction not supprted - Samsung mill-turn

alexander.lewisHF698
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Hello all,

 

I am a CAD/CAM/Machining novice, so apologies if this is a blatantly obvious obstacle to overcome!

 

When trying to generate G-Codes for this particular Bush I receive the below error (entire fail log attached in a .txt)

 

"Error: Direction is not supported for machine configuration.

Error at line: 1

Error in operation: 'Internal Axial Slot (4)"

 

 I understand from this message, it doesn't like the Trace strategy 'Internal Axial Slot (4)' used to create the slots, in particular the angle of entry used.  What I don't know is how to get it to like this 😁 ,  I can only assume I need to edit something in the post config perhaps?  I'm told the machine we have is capable of performing this operation.

 

I've attached the f3d file and am using the up to date Samsung mill/turn fanuc post, below is a link to the machine we are getting if that helps:

Samsung SL2500BL / SL2500BLM Slant Bed CNC Lathe 

 

If any additional information is required please let me know and I appreciate any help/guidance with this!

 

Alex

 

 

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Tom.Hemans
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Hi @alexander.lewisHF698,

 

It looks like the toolpath "Internal Axial Slot (4)" requires a B-axis to reach that position. Is the head on the machine able to tilt around the Y-axis (the brochure/specification from the link does not mention a B-axis)?

 

If the machine does have a B-axis, you can modify the Samsung Mill-Turn post to support it by modifying the following:

var gotBAxis = true

gotBAxis.png

There will be further modifications required to match the post up with the machine, but it would be best to check whether the machine has a B-axis first.

 

Hope this helps,

Tom



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alexander.lewisHF698
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Hi Tom,

 

Thanks for your reply, sorry for my delayed response, I've been around fishing for the answer to your question.

Firstly I gave you the incorrect machine type we have (sorry!) the correct one is here: SMEC SL3500M-780 Driven Tool CNC Lathe (its a variation on this model with additional extras - larger dia chuck for example).  I don't see anything about the head being able to tilt around the Y-Axis, nor any mention of B-Axis.

 

We did however purchase the following Adjustable Angle Toolholder where we can manually set the required angle.  The setup we have, have been mirrored from visiting a company similar to ours who also produce bushes the way we hope to produce them, so I'm hoping what we have is sufficient.

 

I suppose the next question with that in mind is what would I change to replicate the setup we have Fusion?

 

If you need any additional information let me know and I'll try my best to provide an answer.

 

Thanks again

 

Alex

 

 

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From what you described, adjustable angle holder only allows you to set fixed angle of the tool.

You feed tool in Z axis, then in X axis to engage stock, then in Z axis to make axial cut and finally clear cut in X axis and pull out in Z axis.

All moves are in strait X and Z axis directions so your tool orientation in Fusion should be in line with X axis, as that is direction from which tool engages cut, perpendicular to slot.

Post fails because you used angle as tool orientation but don't have ability to tilt tool by commanding angle motion in G-code.

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I changed tool orientation as described earlier and was able to post using Haas DS30SSY post.

You will have to figure out actual cut positioning in Z axis due to change in tool approach, my objective was to eliminate tool orientation error.

 

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I was getting some strange results so I attempted to sort it out. I moved origin to model face in setup, that is now Z0 in G code.

As for internal trace tool path, if tool orientation is not used, tool crashes into part while entering and retracting.

If I use tool orientation, tool clears and looks on target in simulation but when posted all X coordinates are negative.

I am not sure what is going on here, seems to be conflict of tool actual orientation in Z axis but forced to approach cut from X axis and post has some issue with sorting that out.

I think if you post it as is then remove negative sign from all X coordinates in trace tool path, it will work as intended.

 

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alexander.lewisHF698
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Thank you for your replies, I appreciate your help with this, I feel I need to take some steps back, this process has given me even more questions and doubts about what I'm doing.

With that in mind here is some questions (most likely irrelevant or day 1 questions).

 

Under my preferences my default modelling orientation was set to 'Y up' - does this impact anything regarding CAM? (it's now Z up).  This sounds a stupid question reading it back but it's bugging me 🙂

 

I've been told the tools in the lathe will be set upside down and coming from the back (or X-?) towards the bush, so should I uncheck 'Clockwise' under spindle rotation, is that something I should leave alone? If I do uncheck it then the tip seems to be on the wrong side.

 

You mention you moved the origin to the model face in setup, am I drawing my sketches incorrectly to begin with? What's the rule of thumb?

 

Would it be possible for you to take a look at the attached Bush, a basic sleeve, and evaluate the setup and the G Codes its producing, does it seem correct to you? 

 

Sorry for the deviation from the original post problem but I am grateful for any help offered or direction pointed.

We have training for the lathe in the New Year, so perhaps that will clear up some grey areas, but I'd much rather having a better understanding before hand.

 

Alex

 

 

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Anonymous
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Origin moved to model face, that will be Z0 when you post and all Z depths are in reference to that plane, if you set origin at stock face, your reference point is gone with first cut.

You can still make a part but measuring anything in depth while machining part would require accounting for stock and that's not how we work.

 

In picture below, each axis is set to point in sink with how they are arranged in machine and view is set to front.

Views and axis orientation in Manufacture and Design are independent of each other so they don't have to be the same.

I personally make them the same  because if I want to add a sketch in the middle of programming job I can switch between work spaces and have things in same orientation and in same place.

Often I see sketches out of line with model and in that state it is difficult to gain control of events as they build up to more complexity.

 

As a rule of thumb you also want to face , rough turn, drill, rough bore, finish turn, finish bore, groove, thread, do mill work and cut off.

Order of operations makes a difference, if you finish turn then drill hole, you may not have same size finished diameter after drilling,... it depends on material.

 

On subject of tool orientation, rotary tools are oriented so that blue arrow point in direction tool is coming from.

I had an issue with Bush model using tool coming from Z+ direction but requiring orientation in X - direction in order

to make a cut using side of the tool, that I would simply program manually but was trying to get Fusion to do the right thing and I think post is out of sink with concept.

 

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Each axis is pointing to its corresponding orientation in machine, you set part in machine to have G54  work offset .05 below stock face, as set in Fusion setup.

 

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Anonymous
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I should note that arrow on each axis of origin symbol in setup points to positive side of each axis as it is configured in machine.

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alexander.lewisHF698
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Thank you VicKosta for clearing up some of the things that were confusing me.  I should now have a better understanding for future models I create which will end up being machined.  I imagine after the training in the New Year I'll have more questions to plague you with 🙂 until then Happy Holidays to you.

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