BUG Lathe threading?

BUG Lathe threading?

HughesTooling
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BUG Lathe threading?

HughesTooling
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Looks like there has been a change to threading retraction diameters.

This is what I have in an old design where there's only a small retraction between passes.

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But as soon as I edit the op it changes to a full retraction and I don't seem to be able to get what I had before. @akash.kamoolkar is this a bug or am I missing something. File attached with the old toolpath.

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EDIT. If I uncheck Use Cycle I get what I'd consider the correct toolpath again but I want this with cycle enabled.

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Mark Hughes
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Andrew_Todd
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Manually moving this bar should give you the desired retract height?

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HughesTooling
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@Andrew_Todd Have you got Use Cycle enabled in your example?

 

If I have Use Cycle enabled the start and end plus all the retracts are to the same diameter.

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What I want is like my first picture where the start and finish are above the diameter of the stock but retracts between passes are 1mm above the thread.

You can see in the toolpath data the start is at X13.0 Z5.0 then moves to X6.925 Z3.8 for the start of the cycle.

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HughesTooling
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When I enable Use Cycle this setting is removed from the linking tab.

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HughesTooling
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@Andrew_Todd OK, found the settings in Compare and Edit but would be nice if it was easier to set on the operation's dialog.  EDIT just noticed I'd forgot to set the use cycle setting.😞

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When enabled the Retraction Policy is greyed and not editable!

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Andrew_Todd
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Ahh...Ok. these things can trip us up! Glad you got sorted  🙂


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akash.kamoolkar
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@HughesTooling We disabled the retraction setting for when "use cycle" is on because isn't it up to the controller to decide how to transition between two passes? I checked the old NC code and the new NC code from your file and the canned cycle section of the code seems to be the same so it wouldn't affect the transitions. Unless there's something I'm missing.

 

Regards,



Akash Kamoolkar
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HughesTooling
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@akash.kamoolkar wrote:

@HughesTooling We disabled the retraction setting for when "use cycle" is on because isn't it up to the controller to decide how to transition between two passes? I checked the old NC code and the new NC code from your file and the canned cycle section of the code seems to be the same so it wouldn't affect the transitions. Unless there's something I'm missing.

 

Regards,


On my controls the retract between passes is to the same as the start diameter so if the start diameter is 3mm above the stock diameter that would mean it retracting more than I need. Also as I'm using fade out at the end it means you get a longer feed out. So for example if the thread was M10 and the part was 50mm diameter it would need to retract something like 20mm per pass and would create a fade out over several turns.

 

With the 1mm retract like I could set in the past I could still start from 3mm above the stock, then there was a move to 1mm above the thread and the cycle would start.

This is the old code with a start in a safe place (X and Z)then 2 moves to the cycle start point.

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The latest code is like this, just one move to the start point.

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Both of my lathes work the same, retract to the start X diameter. To get around the problem I have to set the clearance reference to 1mm above the thread diameter which works but a bit scary on the first run.

 

I've been working around the change for a while but this job is the first job where I've had time to investigate and also be able to see the difference after regenerating an existing old operation.

 

Surely there's no problem having the retract policy enabled for cycles as you would have the option to use minimum or full retraction to suit the control.

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akash.kamoolkar
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@HughesTooling Thanks for the explanation. I'll make a ticket to put it back in.

 

Regards,



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akash.kamoolkar
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@HughesTooling This was fixed in the update that just went out.

 

Regards,



Akash Kamoolkar
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