Library - What do do in case a newer version of package exists

[HarrySatt]

Hi

I am editing a library and added a package from within the library. After that I opened accidently the package directly and made some changes. This change is not reflected in the library and if I start editing the package from within the library I see a warning sign that there is a newer version available but clicking on this sign there is no reaction.

So how can I update the package in the lib to the newest version.

Regards, Harald

@jorge_garcia 

@RichardHammerl 

[jorge_garcia]

Hi @HarrySatt ,

I hope you're doing well. If you double click the yellow triangle it should update the 3D model to the latest version. It's not just an indicator it actually does the update for you.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,

[HarrySatt]

@jorge_garcia 

Hi

Yes that also was my first thought. I know this from FUSION360 3D design. But see the screencast I made. Nothing  happens after double clicking the little yellow sign. I also was looking for the normally in FUSION360 available possibility to update to the latest version.

I did not find it and therefore I was sending the post.

Regards, harald

[jorge_garcia]

Hi @HarrySatt,

I hope you're doing well. I don't see the screencast linked, could you upload it again? If you close the 3D package can you try opening it from the library again to see if it opens with the latest.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,

[HarrySatt]

Hi @jorge_garcia

I tried this on two machines. Same result. Double clicking the yellow triangle has now reaction. So I do not know how to work on. The Only solution for me would be to redraw everything and that is what I do not want.

I was not able to start screencast on my desktop machine. Double clicking does not start ScreenCast so I made a YOUTUBE video. Low resolution. Not really good quality but I think you can still see what happens.

https://youtu.be/uw7-LkilQXY

Maybe the screencast also works.

Regards, Harald

[jorge_garcia]

Hi @HarrySatt ,

Thank you for the youtube video. So after talking with some devs today, I found out that if you change the 3D model directly outside of the library, those changes get stranded. That's why there is talk of not showing them in the data panel to avoid this issue. 

I would recommend trying to break the link in the 3D model and then try linking it again. In the future any changes to the 3D model need to be done in the library. We are working on making this better.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,

[HarrySatt]

Hi

that is what I thought. You are right. If this is breaking the link to the lib the part model should not be shown to the user.

What you mean with breaking the link? The only thing I can do is delete the package and build it again. Is this right?

How to relink? Can I link a model directly to a library?

Regards, Harald

P.S: ScreenCast is not available for me. After updating to 4.0 I can not launch SC anymore. I have already a contact to the ScreenCast team.

[HarrySatt]

Hi @jorge_garcia 

What I tried now is to delete the package from the device and the package itself and recreated a 3D package and added the model I created before and edited outside the library. Now I am not allowed to edit the package anymore because I am told that I do not have permission although I can edit the model. Curious by the best. The thumbnail also is not created but I can still edit outside the lib.

This is a really unhandy and frustrating behavior of the library editing workflow. At the moment I think it is the best if this problem occurs to throw away all the current work done and start from scratch with a new package.

But what does this mean? It is not possible to create packages outside library editor? It is not possible to use packages created by the manufacturer?

Sorry, but this is not the way this editor should work. It should be open for ready made packages, because this saves a lot of time.

Regards, Harald

[HarrySatt]

Hi @jorge_garcia 

After this try it is not possible to edit the device and package anymore. Completely broken links. If is not possible to delete the package anymore. It seems to be locked to TEAM. Whatever reason I do not know. This happens after adding the newer model from outside. It is a complete disaster. 

As far as I work further I lost the footprint. I really do not know what is the workflow to use. So I tried to switch back to a version before starting to edit today. That is not possible. How fork for a branch using the older version.

It is a mess now.

Regards, Harald

[HarrySatt]

Hi @jorge_garcia 

It seems that saving before finishing editing seems to confuse the storage strategy. Meaning clicking the disk icon instead of using the green ok icon FINISH in the Package 3D tab. I am not sure what reason for the confusion is, but feel that this has destroyed my package device link.

Furthermore there should be a possibility to delete the Package from the linked footprint.

As you mentioned an unlink possibility which I do not find.

Regards, Harald

[ritste20]

Deleting packages from libraries is more of a falling upwards proposition in my experience. The stars have to align with Venus in retrograde, blah, blah, blah.

Something to try is going through the devices that previously used the package in question and deleting them from the variant definitions. Once you've done that anywhere it was used, go to the packages tab and try to right-click delete from there. You can't unlink the package from the footprint because I always get the permissions message when I try to as well. But from the packages tab, you should be able to delete it from there and it will remove it from the footprint definition that way.

As was discussed previously, never edit your 3D packages outside of the library editor. Bad juju.

When using imported models, I go so far as to insert it in the package editor and immediately break the link to the original file prior to saving/clicking the green checkmark to exit the editor and add it to the library.

Hopefully this helps.

Regards,

[HarrySatt]

Hi

What I found out by now it is the best way not to save packages edited with start in library editor with the little disc sine on top.

Be sure to use the big green ok button in the 3D package tab. Otherwise anything gets messed up. A yellow sign appears and package is not useable anymore.

I miss the possibility the unlink the package from the footprint either in device or footprint.

Regards, Harald

@jorge_garcia 

[evan.censystech]

@jorge_garcia 
My apologies for resurrecting a post that is over a year old . . . 

Has an official workaround been developed for this issue?

I agree with the proposition that these package files ought not to be visible in the data panel - considering the visual ambiguity between the 3D model itself and the preview of the package in the data panel (this is what fooled me into accidentally editing the package instead of the model . . .) I feel this mistake was a bit too easy to make - no warnings, no feedback, just silent and (apparently) irreversible destruction of version control and orphaning of the component.

Since the reason why this is forbidden isn't terribly intuitive, this may be a case where hiding things from users is acceptable.

[jorge_garcia]

Hi @evan.censystech,

I hope you're doing well, no apologies needed. Unfortunately, nothing has changed on this front. I'll add your voice to ticket for this request.

Fully agree this needs to be resolved.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,