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Message 1 of 17
joosep.heeringAC3RN
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F/B Annotation

Hi,

 

Fusion just crashed and after the reboot the wonderful yellow F/B Annotation arose.

It resulted in several days worth of work destroyed. Is there a way to avoid this or at least make manual connections after crash, because this happened to me multiple times today and frankly I start to have serious doubts whether to use Fusion at all? Version control should be the fix in this case, but sadly, it isn't.

 

Another bug is related to deleting files.

It gives an error, of the design being referenced by drawings, but the Used in tab is empty and all the files that it has been referenced in has been deleted. Through web view, the story is the same.

 

Credit to developers for releasing new features every month, but currently some bugs are destroying it's credibility as a tool for engineer.

 

Joosep

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Message 2 of 17

"Another bug is related to deleting files.

It gives an error, of the design being referenced by drawings, but the Used in tab is empty and all the files that it has been referenced in has been deleted. Through web view, the story is the same.

 

Credit to developers for releasing new features every month, but currently some bugs are destroying it's credibility as a tool for engineer."

 

agreed with vigor. they keep releasing features updates while vastly more basic features are laughably terrible. referring here to pretty much the entire drawing environment as an example. it's like pulling teeth making drawings from large, complex designs. there's no way to copy and paste a table, or insert such from spreadsheet. inserting images is absurdly frustrating. come on people, low hanging fruit here. aren't engineering drawings half the point of using cad?

Message 3 of 17

Hi @joosep.heeringAC3RN,

I hope you're doing well. If forward and backward annotation is lost you can usually restore it by running the ERC in the schematic. How do you have the project setup?

We recently fixed a very serious bug related to saving so if your Fusion installation was not up to date this might be the cause. If you were up to date then we need to dig deeper on this issue. Any and all info you can provide will be helpful.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,


Jorge Garcia
​Product Support Specialist for Fusion 360 and EAGLE

Kudos are much appreciated if the information I have shared is helpful to you and/or others.

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Message 4 of 17

@jorge_garcia2 

ERC in schematics window does not solve the problem. Today I have lost F/B and what can I do know? call a Santa Claus?

I am missing several parts on the board, When I click ERC in Schematics then I got first warning.

After Accepting ERC error missing parts are not added to PCB.

Newest edition of this crappy software.

 

 

 

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Message 5 of 17

Any updates on this? I'm stuck with the same issue

Message 6 of 17

Hello @hackbratenMTTKN,

I hope you're doing well. Broken consistency occurs when someone closes one of the editors and continues working on the other(typically).

What do you get when you run the ERC?

Whatever errors are reported need to be fixed manually before consistency can be restored.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,


Jorge Garcia
​Product Support Specialist for Fusion 360 and EAGLE

Kudos are much appreciated if the information I have shared is helpful to you and/or others.

Did this resolve your issue? Please accept it "As a Solution" so others may benefit from it.
Message 7 of 17
mc2k
in reply to: hackbratenMTTKN

Hello,

i have the same issue, from one save to another, "part not found in board".

 

Did anyone have helpful hints how this can be fixed?

Message 8 of 17
christopher2KLSVU
in reply to: mc2k

 

Delete missing part on the schematic, perform erc and after F/B is served you can add it again in sch. There is no other way perhaps recovering previous version would be more efficient if there is more than one part missing.

 

Message 9 of 17
mc2k
in reply to: christopher2KLSVU

Hello,

I try both but it is not really suitable way of working, in both because of them I lose the work I have done. I'm currently testing Fusion to see if it is suitable for professional work, but with such problems I don't see it as a really useful tool, it's just one of several problems this tool has, apart from the user interface and old-fashioned handling.

 

but thanks for your reply 🙂

Message 10 of 17
christopher2KLSVU
in reply to: mc2k

This is completely not ready for professional work. You can lost your hairs when work with F360 and a lot of time trying to solve the problems. No one pays you for that, actually you pay autodesk twice:

Firstly, license for unfinished alpha software, secondly with your time when you report failures and bugs on this forum - no one will pay you for that or say thank you  or extend a license..

 

Beside that let imagine how you can effectively work with 8 layers PCB when there is no keyboard shortcuts to quickly jump from one layer to another layer. I am complaining about that 2 o 3 months and there was 2-3 release and nothing has changed.

 

 

 

Message 11 of 17
RichardHammerl
in reply to: mc2k

Hi there,

 

this thread brings up a number of questions how to do what in Electronics and I would like to give a summary on the topics in this thread.

 

For the initial question about the message F/B Annotation has been severed:

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The Forward/Back Annotation keeps your schematic and 2D PCB in sync. Every step in the schematic will be transferred automatically into the layout and vice versa. The F/B annotation can only work, if schematic and board of your Electronics Design is opened at the same time.

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If you would close one of them, the annotation can no longer work and you will get differences in the files. As soon as you close one tab, the yellow warning will be shown.

 

Please do not ignore! Check the status and think about your last steps. 😉

 

 

 

How to check consistency?

Run the Electrical Rules Check (ERC) in the schematic (VALIDATE / ERC). It compares schematic and board and shows consistency errors (if any).

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Click the messages in the Consistency errors branch and fix all differences. Re-run ERC until it reports consistency again.

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Now you can continue working in your design.

 

 

Another topic is how to promote an older version of a file?
This can be done in the data panel. Every file entry shows a version number (1). Click on the drop down box and it will show all previous versions in the panels. Click on the three dots (2) to access file options. Promote the version.

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After promoting a version, please run ERC to compare schematic and board. Fix all inconsistencies before you continue working on your design.

 

 

About importing images into drawings.
There are ways to import DXF drawings or BMP graphics, for example into a schematic or 2D PCB or a library symbol or footprint. Use one of the User Language Programs that come with Fusion Electronics. Go to AUTOMATE / Run ULP and select one of the ULPs (type, for example, import in the Browse line).
Please follow the instructions in the description/dialog.

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I hope this helps.

Regards,

Richard Hammerl

Autodesk
Message 12 of 17
mc2k
in reply to: RichardHammerl

thank you for your detailed explanation of how and why this error can be avoided and also solved 😃 👍.

Message 13 of 17

Holy smokes, I was just bitten by this too. Luckily I'm still getting my feet wet with my first nontrivial schematic, so the board had no real work put into it yet.

 

I've replaced a part in the schematic while having the schematic, the library with my new part and the board open in a separate window (i.e. not a tab). There were some weird issues where the footprint would not show properly on the board, and a lot of switching to-and-fro between board, library and schematic made Fusion act wonky: eg switching from board window to library window, but the board view was still shown in the library window.

Figured I'd close the board file (that was in a separate window), figuring that would help.

BIG mistake - I had saved in the Schematic, but not the Electronics Design nor the Board. Next time I opened the Board, I lost annotation.

 

@RichardHammerl thanks for your explanation, I do get what I was doing wrong.

 

But.

 

.. actually, no. Big, BIG

BUT!

It is unacceptable that the user even has the possibility to screw things up so deeply, so easily!

 

Why is it even possible for the user to open the schematic without opening a linked board at the same time, if it is mandatory to have both open to keep them consistent? If the user opens a Schematic, just open the Board as well, like when you open the Electronics Design. Or open it in the background, the user doesn't need to actually see the board, if they explicitly open the Schematic only. Scratch that, the user should not even see Electronics Design, Schematic and Board as separate entities in the Data Browser, if it's mandatory to always open them simultaneously.

Same thing for the user closing the Board, same story for back-annotation, and same story for saving files.

 

It should never be the user's job to ensure saved files remain valid. It's like if your word file breaks irrevocably and needs to be manually fixed in an XML editor if you happen to close excel before finishing with an embedded sheet. Unthinkable, right?

 

... and to think I paid up for this as a hobbyist, as opposed to using KiCAD + F360, just to have and tight ECAD+MCAD integration for 4-layer boards.. Still hope the ECAD+MCAD integration will actually prove to be as brilliant as I think it will be.

 

Sorry for the rant, but this really, really should not happen. 

 

Hope that helps,

Alex

Message 14 of 17

Alex fully agree. Why is that actually possible. So simple, true  but to complicated for their developers.

 

If board is already linked just lock any changes when sch not opened, or if pcn linked always always open schematic and vice versa. So simple. 2 or 3 if s And big problem solved forever.

Message 15 of 17

Hi Guys,

 

If you open the electronics design document, then the schematic and the board open automatically in order to preserve sync. 

 

If we were going to keep associativity as a 1:1 relationship, then you would be correct, however that's not going to be the case much longer. Additionally if something does break, you need to be able to open and modify the files individually so enforcing locks like you are suggesting isn't going to work in those scenarios.

There's some interesting functionality coming VERY SOON that should address these concerns and give some insight into the future.

 

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

 

Best Regards,



Jorge Garcia
​Product Support Specialist for Fusion 360 and EAGLE

Kudos are much appreciated if the information I have shared is helpful to you and/or others.

Did this resolve your issue? Please accept it "As a Solution" so others may benefit from it.
Message 16 of 17

Hi @jorge_garcia2 

 

sounds great! I’ll look forward to the next update.

In the meantime I’ve learned now to always open the design doc and never to close files on their own, lest Bad Things Happen (tm).

(Kinda like Gremlins, right? Don’t feed after midnight and don’t get wet. How hard can it be? What could possibly go wrong?)

 

Cheers,

Alex

Message 17 of 17

Hi @logmeintoautodesk , @christopher2KLSVU et.al.,

 

Good news that we have implemented a new synchronizer tool in the latest Fusion Production build v2.0.9849 today, could you please upgrade to latest Fusion and try this synchronizer feature? 

You could get more information about this new tool in What's new:

https://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/blog/march-2021-product-update-whats-new/

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Hope it helps.

Looking forward to your feedback.

 

Regards,

Helen



Helen Chen
Principle QA for Fusion 360 Electronics

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