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dieter.wadle
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dieter.wadle
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Ich habe in einer Skizze ein Spline erstellt und dieses dann in "Formen" gedreht. Diese "Motorhaube" wollte ich dann anhand eines Werkzeugs aussparen - sie ließ sich aber nicht als zu bearbeitender Zielkörper anwählen. Dann habe ich sie leicht verändert neu gezeichnet und wollte sie drucken. Cura sagt mir dann aber, dass die Datei ungültig sei... Irgendwo ist da der Wurm drin, ich komme aber nicht drauf, wo.... Kann mir jemand helfen?

Danke schon mal vorab!

🙂 Dieter

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g-andresen
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Hallo Dieter,

lade doch einmal die Datei hoch, damit die Situation erkennbar wird.

Gruß 

günther

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dieter.wadle
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Wie lade ich hier eine Datei hoch? Hab mal einen Screenshot gemacht.

🙂 Dieter

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dieter.wadle
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Hier noch ein Screenshot der Skizze. Der nach oben stehende Spline wurde zur Haube gedreht. Unten sieht man die doppelte Wandung mit einer Nut für den Motorspant. Die Nut sollte ursprünglich gar nicht da sein, sondern nur passende Vertiefungen für die Noppen des Motorspants. Aber auch das hatte nicht funktioniert.

🙂 Dieter

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TrippyLighting
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Exportiere als .f3d und hänge an den nächsten post.

 

Den Körper den du mit der Drehung erzeugt hass ist ein offener T-Spline. Und konvertiert nach Bebender der Formumgebung in eine NURBS Oberfläche. War das so gewollt ?

Wenn, warum ?


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dieter.wadle
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Ich wollte einfach nur einen Motorhalter + aufschiebbare Motorhaube erzeugen... Der Rest hat sich so ergeben. Bin halt noch absoluter Anfänger und habe in meinem Umfeld niemanden, dem ich ein paar Fragen stellen könnte...

😉 Dieter

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TrippyLighting
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Schau mal durch die Tutorial videos hier untern Support & Schulung. Danach hast du garantiert Fragen, hast aber eine bessere basis diese zu formulieren.

Ich weiss nicht wie viel davon in Deutsch ist da ich mich meistens im US Forum aufhalte.

 

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g-andresen
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Hallo Dieter,

für den Fall empfehle ich, auf der Basis von Skizze 3 einen einfachen Rotationskörper zu erstellen (s. screencast) .

Für den Anfang würde ich auch die Historie nicht abschalten (Hinweis am Ende des screencasts).

viel Erfolg weiterhin

günther

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dieter.wadle
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Hallo Günther,vielen Dank für deine anschauliche Antwort. Wie ich das verstanden habe, fehlt bei meinem Rotationskörper die Materialdicke. Ich dachte, das wäre nicht unbedingt erforderlich.

 

Danke auch für den Tipp mit den Tutorials - werde ich schnellstmöglich durcharbeiten (wird aber nach Weihnachten). Es gibt einige sehr brauchbare Tutorials, aber am Ende ist die eigene Problemstellung dann doch wieder eine andere... Mein mittelfristiges Ziel ist es, einen Modellflugzeugrumpf komplett mit dem 3D Drucker zu erzeugen. Bin mir nach dem Anschauen verschiedenster Videos aber noch völlig im Unklaren, wie ich das angehen soll...

Flächen konstruieren und diese dann zu einer Hülle verbinden... Spanten auf Hilfsebenen konstruieren und diese dann verbinden... oder....???

Wäre sehr dankbar für einen Tipp, wie man so etwas am geschicktesten anpackt.

🙂 Dieter

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g-andresen
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Hallo Dieter,

alternativ kannst Du auch nur mit dem Spline und dem Flächenwerkzeug eine Rotationsfläche erstellen und diese dann  mit "Verdicken" auf die gewünschte Dicke bringen. Wenn Du bei YT unter F360-sculpting suchst, kannst Du sehen, welche Objekte damit vorzugsweise modelliert werden

Beim Stichwort „Flugmodelle“ fällt mir  Michael ein. Über das Profil @wersy erfährst Du etwas über seine Aktivitäten.

Gruß

günther

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wersy
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Hallo Dieter,

Boolsche Operationen (Kombinieren, Schnittmenge) kan man nur mit Volumenkörper machen.
Du hast die Rotationskörper mit Flächen erstellt. Das sind keine Volumenkörper.

 

 

Flächenrotation.jpg


Um daraus Volumenkörper zu erhalten, kann man, wie Günther schon empfahl, die Flächen verdicken.
Das Verdicken kann man sich ersparen, indem man für Rotationskörper geschlossenen Profile verwendet.
Man kann auch aus einem allseits geschlossenem Flächenmodell ein Volumenkörper machen.

Ich arbeite mit Flächen nur wenn es nicht anders geht, wie z.B. bei Bootsrümpfen.
Wie man auch einen Flugzeugrumpf mit Volumenkörper erstellen kann, habe ich hier gezeigt:

http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showthread.php/689622-Spanten-aus-3-Seiten-Ansicht-konstruieren-Extra...

 

Zum Slicen sollte man nur Volumenkörper, oder geschlossene Flächenmodelle verwenden.

Gruß Michael

 

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TrippyLighting
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@wersy  schrieb:



Ich arbeite mit Flächen nur wenn es nicht anders geht, wie z.B. bei Bootsrümpfen.


Das ist ein Fehler 😉


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dieter.wadle
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Zwischenzeitlich ist die Haube schon gedruckt... Passt prima!

Vielen Dank für die Hilfe!

Durch Michael bin ich jetzt auch auf den Link in RC Network aufmerksam geworden - sehr interessant!  Michael - du schreibst, dass du ungern mit Flächen arbeitest, außer bei Bootsrümpfen. Meine Flieger sind allesamt Flugboote. Deshalb die Frage: Spanten -Stringer - Erhebungen oder Flächen? Oder kann man das auch sinnvoll kombinieren? Ich habe bereits den Unterboden einer Savoia SM55 und möchte darauf den Rumpf zeichnen...

🙂 Dieter

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wersy
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Hallo @TrippyLighting
Ist schon klar, mit Flächen kann man wesentlich mehr machen.
Spätestens wenn selbst variables Abrunden nicht mehr reicht, geht’s nur mit Flächen.
Zum Beispiel bei gezieltem Übergang von Tragfläche zum Rumpf.

 

Hallo Dieter
Wenn man ohnehin Volumenkörper braucht, kann man sich unnötige Flächenmodellierung sparen.
Beim Aufdicken von Flächen, entstehen Volumenkörper,  die sich aber beim anschließenden Spiegeln überschneiden.
Deswegen muss man die Flächen vorher spiegeln:

 

Pirat 1.jpg

 

Dann alles „wasserdicht“ machen und „(zusammen)flicken“:

 

Pirat 2.jpg

 

Dadurch entsteht ein Volumenkörper, den man aushöhlen, teilen, und weiter bearbeiten kann:

 

Pirat 3.jpg

 

Dieser „Pirat“ von 1938 ist, wegen ihrer besonderen Segeleigenschaften, auch heute noch eine beliebte Segeljolle.
Gezeichnet habe ich sie nach Originalplänen. Vielleicht mache ich daraus mal eine Druckversion mit allen Einzelheiten.

 

Diese Teile für einen Nurflügler zeigen, dass man auch mit Volumenkörper einiges anfangen kann:

 

Rumpf innen.png

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Das komplette Modell, und den gesamten Werdegang findest du auf RC-Network:
http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showthread.php/682097-Drohne-aus-St-Petersburg-drucken

 

Übrigens,
ohne die sehr ausführlichen Hilfen hier im Forum, hätte ich die Zargen, und die lotrechten Bohrungen für den Lochkreis nicht hinbekommen.

Gruß Michael

michele.mk
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Hallo @dieter.wadle,

 

Schön, dass die Experten dir mit ihren Lösungsvorschlägen helfen konnten. Wärst du so lieb und markierst die oder die Lösung-en, die dich weitergebracht haben als Lösung bitte? Somit profitieren auch andere Anwender von der Information. 

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dieter.wadle
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Ganz herzlichen Dank für eure Hilfe! Jetzt habe ich wieder ein paar Grundlagen mehr verstanden und mein erstes Projekt ist wieder einen großen Schritt vorangekommen.

Der Rumpf der Jolle ist sehr interessant. Gibt es irgendwo eine Beschreibung, wie man eine sphärisch gewölbte Fläche an eine bereits bestehende Fläche im Raum (hier : Rumpfseite an Boden) konstruiert?

Ich weiß, das hat mit dem Thema jetzt nichts mehr zu tun, möchte aber auch nur ungern inflationär Themen starten...

🙂 Dieter

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wersy
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Hallo Dieter,

 

Inflation an Fragen ist hier kein Thema, davon lebt das Forum.
Beim Versuch zu helfen, lerne ich nicht selten dazu, denn manchmal muss ich die Lösung auch erst finden.

Für jedes Problem sollte ein neues Thema mit möglichst eindeutigem Titel erstellt werden.
Und immer gleich mit  Abbildung und Datei.

 

Gruß Michael

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TrippyLighting
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@wersy der Nurflügler is absolut klasse!


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dieter.wadle
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Alles klar Michael, dann sollte dieser Thread an der Stelle beendet werden - das Problem wurde ja gleich gelöst - und ich werde eine neue Anfrage starten.

Danke an alle Helfer!

🙂 Dieter

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wersy
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Danke!

Ja, das ist mein schönster Nurflügler und immer noch größer als die der Konkurrenz 🙂

 

Der bis jetzt mit Abstand allergrößte gedruckte Nurflügler, wenn auch nicht so schön, ist mein „Red Swan“ mit fast 2 m Spannweite.
Allerdings darf der nicht so hart gelandet werden, sonst geht es aus wie in diesem Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAaHncWUqNs

 

Gruß Michael

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Call Tracking
We use Call Tracking to provide customized phone numbers for our campaigns. This gives you faster access to our agents and helps us more accurately evaluate our performance. We may collect data about your behavior on our sites based on the phone number provided. Call Tracking Privacy Policy
Wunderkind
We use Wunderkind to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Wunderkind. Ads are based on both Wunderkind data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Wunderkind has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Wunderkind to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Wunderkind Privacy Policy
ADC Media
We use ADC Media to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by ADC Media. Ads are based on both ADC Media data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that ADC Media has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to ADC Media to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. ADC Media Privacy Policy
AgrantSEM
We use AgrantSEM to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by AgrantSEM. Ads are based on both AgrantSEM data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that AgrantSEM has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to AgrantSEM to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. AgrantSEM Privacy Policy
Bidtellect
We use Bidtellect to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bidtellect. Ads are based on both Bidtellect data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bidtellect has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bidtellect to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bidtellect Privacy Policy
Bing
We use Bing to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bing. Ads are based on both Bing data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bing has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bing to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bing Privacy Policy
G2Crowd
We use G2Crowd to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by G2Crowd. Ads are based on both G2Crowd data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that G2Crowd has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to G2Crowd to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. G2Crowd Privacy Policy
NMPI Display
We use NMPI Display to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by NMPI Display. Ads are based on both NMPI Display data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that NMPI Display has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to NMPI Display to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. NMPI Display Privacy Policy
VK
We use VK to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by VK. Ads are based on both VK data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that VK has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to VK to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. VK Privacy Policy
Adobe Target
We use Adobe Target to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Adobe Target Privacy Policy
Google Analytics (Advertising)
We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
Trendkite
We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
Hotjar
We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
6 Sense
We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
Terminus
We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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