Why can't I cut into an inserted component?

Why can't I cut into an inserted component?

gabe_nelson
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Why can't I cut into an inserted component?

gabe_nelson
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I'm stuck trying to get the workflow I want to work. I'm working on a project where I need to make multiple versions of the same base object. Every version is the same base geometry with a different design cut out of it. To do this I figured I would use the insert derive tool since that's what I would have done in onshape. I inserted the geometry I modelled, then drew the design to be cut out in a sketch, but when I go to cut out the design it says there's no target body to cut. How do I allow editing of inserted models? Or is there another way I should go about this workflow?

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TheCADWhisperer
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Derive, but I don’t know about the insert in your description.

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Can you File>Export your *.f3d file to your local drive and then Attach it here to a Reply?

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gabe_nelson
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I didn't see an export option for .f3d. Hopefully .f3z works.

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jhackney1972
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Your idea of using the Derive command is a good thought.  Your models need a bit of tweaking to make them work easily.  There is a problem between your base model and the stencil sketch model that causes the sketch to insert at 90 degrees, probably the sketch planes are different, I did not work on that.  Other than this, the process will work very nicely.   The video will explain.

 

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gabe_nelson
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I appreciate the help, but I'm trying to do the process in the opposite direction. I imported the model from "golf ball stencil base" into "clover golf stencil". Then I added the sketch but it wouldn't cut the imported model. I want it set up so that if I ever make changes to the base model, that change will propagate to each version that has a different stencil cut out of it. So editing "golf ball stencil base" would update "clover golf stencil" rather than the other way around, as shown in your video. Here's a picture of me experiencing the problem I'm trying to solve.

 

 

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HughesTooling
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Use Derive rather than Insert.

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@gabe_nelson wrote:

 To do this I figured I would use the insert derive tool since that's what I would have done in onshape. I inserted the geometry I modelled, then drew the design to be cut out in a sketch, but when I go to cut out the design it says there's no target body to cut. How do I allow editing of inserted models? Or is there another way I should go about this workflow?


 

This image shows an inserted part not an Insert Derive. Also Please don't attach pictures, just paste from the clipboard.

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jhackney1972
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The reason your method of Importing "Gold Ball Stencil Base" into "CloverGoldStencil" and then trying to use the created sketch to cut the imported model is that "Golf Ball Stencil Base" is an External file.  Fusion 360 cannot cut into a component that is not in the current open model and an External file is outside the current model since it is an external file.  If you really want to do this, all you have to do is right click on the external file, in this case Gold Ball Stencil Base, and select Break Link.  Once the link is broken the component will be available for cutting.

 

If I were you, the original Derive component method I outlined in my video is a much better choice.

 

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HughesTooling
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@jhackney1972  Think you're making it harder than it needs to be or I'm misunderstanding?

In the stencil file just delete the inserted part and then replace with a derived part.

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Now use inset derive. @gabe_nelson You've made this a bit more difficult because you sketched on a face and one file's Z up and the other Y up. Might be easier to just start again!

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After redefining the sketch plane, extrude cut.

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HughesTooling
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@gabe_nelson I noticed in your sketch you sketched on a face then drew the outline, so ended up with 2 sets of curves. This is because Fusion auto projects when you sketch on a face. You might want to turn this off and just project what you need.

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You might want to experiment with these unchecked.

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HughesTooling
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@gabe_nelson  Note, when doing the insert derive pick the top node in the browser so you get a component in the destination design.

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jhackney1972
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From the original question, I interpreted it as asking how he could create one pattern model and then use it on multiple ball ball holders to cut a pattern,   I also interpreted it as asking how the pattern cut could update on all the golf ball holders if the pattern changed in the pattern model.  I obviously missed his intent.

 

I am guessing but you may want to go back to your post and correct this word?

 

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HughesTooling
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@jhackney1972 wrote:

 

 

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Yes, mistyped then accepted the first option spell check gave me without reading!🙄

 

 

 

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TheCADWhisperer
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@jhackney1972 wrote:

From the original question, I interrupted it as asking how he could create one pattern model and then use it on multiple ball ball holders to cut a pattern,   I also interrupted it as asking how the pattern cut could update on all the golf ball holders if the pattern changed in the pattern model.  I obviously missed his intent.

 

I am guessing but you may want to go back to your post and correct this word?

 

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@jhackney1972 

You might want to change the word “interrupted” with interpreted.  👨‍🎓

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gabe_nelson
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I really appreciate all the replies! After HughesTooling said my picture showed an insert rather than an insert derive I thought I would delete the object and re-insert it. As far as I'm aware I did everything exactly the same as I did the first time. Used the insert derive tool, then rotated the body into position and tried to cut out the profile again, but this time it worked just fine. So now I'm confused, but at least it's working.

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