(Stress) Simulation: How to define adhesives like super glue.

(Stress) Simulation: How to define adhesives like super glue.

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(Stress) Simulation: How to define adhesives like super glue.

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I'm dipping my toe into simulations. As (perhaps) know I mostly 3d print my little designs and sometimes things are getting bigger or aren't easy to print, so that I split them into multiple parts and have to glue them later together. I'm aware that 3d printed parts do perform different than e.g. injection molded parts, but I'm more interested in indications right know. 

I've set the contacts to bonded  but I don't know how the set properties for the contacts. Does this make sense?

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A bonded constraint is the correct choice, and I'm not aware of any settings in fusion 360 that will get you any more resolution with respect to an adhesive.

 

The advice I have is:

 

Design the mating surface such that there is a physical hold in the worst load directions. I've seen dovetails used fairly often for this. Then use adhesives or mechanical fasteners to limit motion in the other directions. You could also design in glue wells for an epoxy bond.

 

If you want to get a rough approximation of the ability for an adhesive to hold, look at the stresses in the contacts. If they exceed your adhesive bond or material strength them you have a good idea that failure will occur at the bond line (assuming its not in compression).

 

Analyzing adhesives can be much more complex than many people realize. 

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@Anonymous wrote:

Design the mating surface such that there is a physical hold in the worst load directions. I've seen dovetails used fairly often for this. Then use adhesives or mechanical fasteners to limit motion in the other directions. You could also design in glue wells for an epoxy bond.

I'll try this. But this might sometimes result in more parts. Example: Z height of the printer is 200mm, part height is 400mm. Splitting results in two 200mm parts. Using dove tails would result in 3 parts because of the dove tail length. They might be even harder to align in case of kinda thin walls (1.8 - 2.4mm). 

 

 


 


If you want to get a rough approximation of the ability for an adhesive to hold, look at the stresses in the contacts. If they exceed your adhesive bond or material strength them you have a good idea that failure will occur at the bond line (assuming its not in compression).

Unless I'm using customer great materials and those mostly provide only information about the final strength (Endfestigkeit ) like 1300 N/cm². Sure, I can gather the surface size from Fusion 360 and can compare it with the test results. But would be nice to add this as a parameter. Like a limit or so. 

 

 


@Anonymous wrote:

You could also design in glue wells for an epoxy bond.

 

Hmmm - how would you do this?

 


Analyzing adhesives can be much more complex than many people realize. 


I can imagine this.

 

 

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@Anonymous wrote:

You could also design in glue wells for an epoxy bond.

Hmmm - how would you do this?



It's just a void that bridges across the surfaces, acting like a pin.    Depending on what material you're printing with- say, other than laser sintering -epoxy likely exceeds it's strength.    You're fortunate to live in an era where there are a great number of people tackling the same engineering problem;   Pintrest, of all places, might provide solutions with just a couple keystrokes.

In addition to adhesives, consider welding or fusing the parts.

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@lichtzeichenanlage wrote:
Unless I'm using customer great materials and those mostly provide only information about the final strength (Endfestigkeit ) like 1300 N/cm². Sure, I can gather the surface size from Fusion 360 and can compare it with the test results.

 

The final strength might be the only thing printed on the packaging or the marketing material, but the manufacturer likely has more thorough material testing data somewhere. Call them and ask.

 

 

 

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Thx for the thoughts. I've to think about it - but not today. 

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