.stl intersecting faces

.stl intersecting faces

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.stl intersecting faces

philip.wright9ZCEG
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Verifying my .stl for printing I find I have intersecting faces. These are introduced with a fillet.

 

My model is symmetrical. A fillet on one side is OK (no interfacing faces). However, a fillet on the other side (wether by fillet or mirror) introduces the intersecting faces.

 

I guess my model is not really as symmetrical as I hoped! However, it is very simple and I cannot find how I have gone wrong. Or could there be another reason for this? 

 

I am a beginner at Fusion/printing so the mistake may well be rooky! Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Here is my model. The fillet that raises the error is the last, "Fillet24": https://a360.co/2X967b2

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TheCADWhisperer
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Can you post screen capture image that illustrates the issue?  (I do not see anything unexpected.)

Or Screencast recording?

And the resulting *.stl file.

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Hey philip.wright9ZCEG,

 

Are you working with a mesh in F360, or are you working with BReps and trying to get a usable STL out of it?

 

F360 is definitely not intended to be a mesh modeling tool. It has some mesh tools to help with certain applications, but solid modeling and t-splines is what it's made for. I would recommend either re-modeling the mesh from scratch or (if it makes sense in your particular case) going through the conversion process described here:

 

 
The link you've posted here just tells me I'm logged in under my account, it doesn't appear to be a link to your design.


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HughesTooling
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What software are you checking the stl in? Simplify3d doesn't see any problems, I tried high and medium for refinement of the mesh. I've attached your file as well, in the future can you export and upload the f3d file. The download links are a time waste. How are you exporting the STL?

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philip.wright9ZCEG
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Thanks for the responses.

 

We built the model from scratch in Fusion 360 and exported to .stl via the "Make 3D Print" function (high mesh refinement).

 

When I look via the 3D Hub upload tool there are intersecting faces. However, when I do not include Fillet24 in the model there are no intersecting faces. See images.

3dhub_snap.png3dhub_snap_no_fillet24.png

 

I have two concerns:
1) Will it print OK with a commercial printer? The component prints fine with the school's UPBox. However, we need a few hundred of these for a project. I have read that intersecting faces can produce unexpected results with commercial runs.
2) I would like to know why this is happening anyway, so we are not adopting poor practise which may compound into larger errors in the future!

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philip.wright9ZCEG
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Screenshots and .stls posted below.

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philip.wright9ZCEG
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As outlined in my post below I checked via the 3D Hub tool. If other tools are not showing the error then perhaps the error is with this tool?

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philip.wright9ZCEG
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Thanks for your response. I haven't watched all your suggested videos but I suspect I was not clear in my original post. As explained in my new post I built the model from scratch in Fusion. I think you are suggesting a solution for when an .stl is imported into Fusion.

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HughesTooling
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@philip.wright9ZCEG wrote:

Screenshots and .stls posted below.


@philip.wright9ZCEG  If you replied by email the attachments do no come through, you have to use the forum interface to add attachments. Also use the Photo option to embed pictures as the forum viewer for attached images is useless.

 

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philip.wright9ZCEG
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Apologies , when I said "posted below" I meant in another post on the same thread. It is all there. Sorry for the confusion.

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HughesTooling
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@philip.wright9ZCEG  Sorry didn't scroll up far enough before.

Just looked at your STL in Rhino and it doesn't report any errors either. You might want to try using the medium setting for export depending on the resolution of the 3d printer.

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philip.wright9ZCEG
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When exported with medium mesh the number of intersecting faces reduces to 3 (from 9 with high). When using low mesh there are no intersecting faces. Does this mean it would be better to use low?

 

As other tools are not seeing these intersections and no one has seen a problem with my model I am coming around to the opinion that I should not be concerned about the report from 3D Hub Tool. Do you think that reasonable?

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Don't think I'd go lower than medium, should be more than good enough for most FDM printers. You could try starting with the medium setting then select custom and set the surface deviation to 0.01.

 

I think the fault is with the website software. Not sure how 3d Hub really works, does whoever gets the job have any direct contacted or feed back to you? From what I'm seeing with your file the slicer software should not have any problem.

 

If they come back and want to charge for fixing the model I'd be suspicious they're finding problems that aren't there to get more money.

 

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philip.wright9ZCEG
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Thanks very much.

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TheCADWhisperer
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@philip.wright9ZCEG wrote:

 

I have two concerns:
...However, we need a few hundred of these for a project. I have read that intersecting faces can produce unexpected results with commercial runs.
2) I would like to know why this is happening anyway, so we are not adopting poor practice which may compound into larger errors in the future!


I see several issues with your design and with your design technique.

Before I take the time to create a video on this - are you interested in improving your design?

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philip.wright9ZCEG
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Yes, I am certainly interested in any advice on improving the design. It would be very much appreciated.

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TheCADWhisperer
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Give me an hour or so to record a video... ...check back in a bit.

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TheCADWhisperer
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@philip.wright9ZCEG wrote:

...My model is symmetrical. 

...I guess my model is not really as symmetrical as I hoped! 


I downloaded your latest file and noticed that you changed to a variable radius fillet.

Strive to fully define all of your sketches.

This makes changes down the road (and in my 30+ years experience - there are always changes) easy and predictable results.

I also added lead-in for your threads to aide in assembly.

I had trouble Mirror (ping @Jeff.strator) the Variable Fillet and Rib (I also tried Extrusion rather than Rib).

 

 

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philip.wright9ZCEG
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Very useful indeed. I entirely take your point about better defining the sketches. 

 

The size and position of the holes were delivered to me as dxf which I imported and traced over. However, my work was sloppy. I will now investigate further to update to consistent, useful and realistic sizes. And thanks for the chamfer tip.

 

Great stuff. Thank you so much for taking the time to help.

 

 

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