Projected price increase.

[mr_fatbiker]

I have just received news about almost 40% price increase starting next year. Are you going to incorporate more things into base Fusion? Maybe move some of the extension features to the core software, such as product design. Maybe a proper frame generator with access to standardized sections?
I was thinking about moving my whole design activity to Fusion, but if you move forward with planned increase, I thing I will have to move back to my non subscription based software - old, but stable. 

[keqingsong]

Hey @mr_fatbiker  - thanks for reaching out! Yes, we are constantly working on making new functionality become available in core Fusion, and more importantly, we're improving performance, quality, and fixings issues with every product update. As mentioned in our recent blog post, this year we've delivered features such as configurations, fastener libraries (the most recent addition in our October product update), automated modeling, advanced geometry tools, and multi-axis deposition. Fusion now also runs natively on Apple silicon chipsets, uses native macOS trackpad engine for gesture processing, and has high DPI scaling support on Windows. 

In terms of quality and performance, we've made more than 5500 improvements to all areas of the software, and 

when it comes to working with large model assemblies, start-up/launch time is now up to 80% faster, assembly performance is  now up to 86% faster, sketch performance is  now up to 20x faster, as well as visibility changes is now up to 32x faster. Again, this is a continual effort across our teams, and we are 100% invested in beefing up our core. 

If you haven't read our recent blog post yet, I'd encourage you to check it out.
https://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/blog/autodesk-fusion-industry-cloud-for-manufacturing/

[bentwookie]

Uses native macOS trackpad engine for gesture processing. The long history of that bug is a great way to understand why the PR blurb about 5,500 improvements reads a little hollow to some. It's surprising to see that whole saga being called out as some kind of achievement. 

BTW, the current recommendation on the PCB side is to turn it off as it causes huge problems with the schematics editor. Fodder for the next price increase. 

[FrodoLoggins]

"Fusion now also runs natively on Apple silicon chipsets"

Any idea on when Fusion will be 100% native? I remember the original blog post mentioning some parts of Fusion still require Rosetta 2 or something.

[fredsi]

marcin4VU6S,

FYI....the price increase is about 25%, not 40% ($545 to $680). And, from deep in the blog post, if you are a current subscriber, then you will remain locked in at your current price for renewals until end of January 2027; at which point you start paying the increased price at you next renewal.

Fred

[FrodoLoggins]

Also the way it's laid out it looks like a 3 year subscription saves you money but it's literally just 3 times the yearly cost.

3 times $680 per year is $2040. The 3 year lock in is also $2040.

[fredsi]

Keqingsong,

Just curious....where does the yearly subscription price of $490 come from in the blog post? Looking around I can only find a quoted price of $545/yr. (Autodesk website, etc.).

Fred

[keqingsong]

Great question. The $490 comes from a ~10% standard discount when you renew your annual $545 subscription. After the 3 year price lock, you will be on the new price but should still be able to get that 10% renewal discount on the new price. 

[FrodoLoggins]

Hey @keqingsong any idea when Fusion will be 100% native?

"With our latest July 2023 product update right around the corner, we’re excited to announce that you’ll soon be able to run Fusion 360 natively on Apple silicon computers... However, some individual processes and back-end services still temporarily require Rosetta 2 to be installed for Fusion 360 to run."

[josh_l]

@keqingsong whilst I appreciated the warning email about the price increase, it was baffling that Autodesk sent all the prices in USD to customers regardless of the currency of their subscription. I pay for my subscription in GBP, so tell me the new price in GBP. Seems pretty obvious. I still don't know what the new price will be. Why does it fall to me as the paying customer to go searching for it? I guess I just wait for the charge on my bank statement?

[evilc]

I will quite probably leave if the price is hiked by 25%
All I need is the design workspace, and I only use Fusion for hobbyist (Non-profit / Open source) designs.
I am not paying for you adding loads of features that I don't use, whilst stuff that I do use is buggy as hell and nothing is being done about it.
The constraints system is still a mess - "Over-constrained" bugs left, right and centre. 4 years and you still cannot redefine a sketch plane without it "fixing" all your projections. UI glitches galore, the list goes on and on.

[fredsi]

Josh,

I imagine keqing can speak for himself, but just wanted to point something out. If you read the blog post that goes into depth on the price changes; and, are a current subscriber, then you won't be seeing the price increase for another three years. What will be the exchange rate three years from now? Seems reasonable to quote the price increase in terms of Autodesk's accounting currency and let folks come up with an approximation in their local currency. 

Fred

[josh_l]

Thanks @fredsi. I am a monthly subscriber, and monthly prices are stated as going up in January.

[fredsi]

Josh,

Given that fact, my apologies for having interfered in your discussion unnecessarily....sorry. 

Fred

[wm_crash]

I am a hobbyist who makes some money, with about $2000 to $2500 coming in per year. My only recurring software cost is Fusion 360. The price of raw material and tooling and machine fixes and air conditioning is about $1000 a year. An additional $500 goes to Fusion 360 (yes, it's $490 but let's keep the math simple).  So I am left with $500 to $1000, which gets taxed because I don't play games.

I get it that the price increase is only kicking in 3 years from now, and I appreciate the advanced notice. But brother, I am not building war machines and I have no government contracts. I am a guy with a shop in a garage and I spend some time in there on evenings and weekends. I use Fusion a few hours a week for rather simple tasks and really have a small impact on the resources.

Is there a middle ground for my use case?

thanks,

Cosmin

[mr_fatbiker]

I use Fusion professionally, so my company pays for it. My company uses one Fusion for "general" design, and two more licenses of Eagle, which we wanted to move to Fusion for ease of collaboration. 
But... I design some stuff in plastics, some in metal (general design) - and I could do with Product Design extension, also guys need Singal Integration for Eagle - which is expensive. Suddenly, the price gets higher.

Additionally, I do designs that involve frames and sheet metal, mostly both simultaneously. Frames are something that Fusion 360 sucks at, so I do them on my SW2017 - which does the job perfectly. I paid for it $3000 (?) then - so a complete package (for mechanical design) costs me less and less every year (so far $500 per year).

I really wanted Fusion 360 to become a truly universal and accessible package for designers, and I also understand Autodesk needs to make a profit out of this. Still, I think that if they are going through with the increase (which they will), they should offer us a bit more than just fixing bugs. 

[learysinsight]

I paid $480 last year and now it's $940.  I call that 95.63% increase.