generative algorithms like grasshopper

generative algorithms like grasshopper

kevin.mcnally
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generative algorithms like grasshopper

kevin.mcnally
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Hi F360 Team!

 

Does F360 have the ability to create form in a way similar to grasshopper and Rhino where the form derives from an algorithm? I have inserted an image below for your reference.

 

Many thanks,

 

Kevingenerative algorithm.jpg

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georgehudetz
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Hi Kevin, thanks for posting.

 

Autodesk does have something similar to Grasshopper - called Dynamo - but it is primarily focused on BIM workflows right now.  While we have had long-term discussions about integrating Dynamo into Fusion as part of our Generative Design initiative, there is no work currently underway for that.  My understanding is that Dynamo can export a SAT file, however.

 

Having said that, we'd love to discuss your needs in this area.  Anything you can post publicly about this would be welcome, but we'd be happy to chat off-line as well.

 

Thanks again,


George



George Hudetz

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I_Forge_KC
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You can also export T-Splines from Dynamo!


K. Cornett
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kevin.mcnally
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Thanks so much for your reply. I checked out Dynamo and it looks amazing. I was particularly impressed that UN studio is using it. I admire that architectural office very much. With all of that said, it is not a part of Fusion 360 and is a separate program I guess.

 

Kind regards,

 

Kevin

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kevin.mcnally
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I think that fusion is incredible in so many regards but would be even more incredible if it could support some kind of algorithmic generation. That really is the future of making where code is an integral part of making form. Regarding a conversation about this I'm a rookie and I don't think any such conversation with me would pay dividends for you. I just want to suggesting that having such a capability would really help bring a lot of new users into the F360 fold.

 

Best regards,

 

Kevin

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TrippyLighting
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What would we do with generative surfaces in Fusion 360 ?

 

How about something as simple as this. The curved arms are created in Blender as a quad mesh with what I call "generative light", then imported and converted into a T-Spline.

A simple pre-twisted base mesh is multiplied and rotated every instance. The result is then "bent" along a curve (also a modifier in Blender! 

Very simple but very effective.

 

Then there are fractal structures. Complex (even mathematically 😉 self similar structures generated by pure math. Match that with ever increasing 3D printing capabilities and we can generate things that truly can only be made with a 3D printer. 

 

 

 

 


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georgehudetz
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Kevin - glad I could help, and please keep us informed if you use Dynamo output within a Fusion design.  We agree that algorithmic forms of Generative are a very natural fit for Fusion.

 

Peter - some interesting examples there!  I'm working with Michael McSherry on the ECAD stuff as well, so it's interesting that your designs have an application in Generative as well as ECAD.  I'm sure we'll talk more going forward!



George Hudetz

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TrippyLighting
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@georgehudetz wrote:

it's interesting that your designs have an application in Generative as well as ECAD.  I'm sure we'll talk more going forward!


 

Hi George,

 

Yes, that is more coincidental and was not intended. I do intend to push this in future projects, however.

As we are talking about generative designs and the intersection of different disciplines, I'd like to take the opportunity to point out an area that the AD team is entirely blind to and that is optics - pun intended 😉 . There as well generative algorithms can do wonderful things. When I came across this I contacted the developers as I could immediately see how it applied to my LED systems.

 

High Contrast Caustics Design


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Anonymous
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Noob here...  I see this thread started in January of 2017 and was wondering if anything has changed within Fusion 360 development.  I too would greatly appreciate some form of algorithmic generation for a new type of honeycomb structure that my business partner and I are working on.  Any updates?

 

Thanks

 

DJH

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TrippyLighting
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I believe things have actually taken a turn for the worse from a certain perspective. The Fusion 360 team appears to be moving into mechanical design, an area in which generative design alike to grasshopper has no place.

 

When AD talks about generative "design" they really are talking about generative engineering as what they are trying to solve with generative algorithms are purely mechanical engineering problems, not per se design problems.

Design problems are more concerned with the form/shape and visual appearance of objects.


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That’s disappointing.  I learned Fusion in order to be able to create forms and shapes which can be created from a new honeycomb concept that myself and a partner are marketing.  When I discovered Grasshopper designs on Pinterest I looked further and discovered  the Rhino/Grasshopper output which was just what we were looking for.  I guess I have to gravitate to Rhino which is a real shame as I enjoy Fusion a lot.

 
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Anonymous
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Dynamo doesn't work on Mac... Is there any other plug-in for Mac?

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luis_zuniga
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I want to use it, but am on a Mac without windows, and don't want to install it, how can I use Dynamo in fusion 360 for Mac?

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Anonymous
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Generative algorithms have important engineering as well as aesthetic applications. 

The Great Court of the British Museum designed by Foster Partners is one example I know of.

The whole structure of the roof, with every pane an individual is generated to solve the engineering constraints producing an emergent design.  Many biological structures work like this, bone for example.  Shame I can’t seem to post links here.

 

—Peter Goodall

 

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Not trying to revive an old post but I am very curious to hear where the Fusion team is on creating the ability for its users to use generative algorithms.  I keep coming back to Rhino as an alternative option to Fusion for specific projects I'd like to jump into.  However, I really like Fusion 360 and would much prefer to stick with not only this program but also this community.

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TrippyLighting
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@Anonymous wrote:

Not trying to revive an old post but ...


That is perfectly fine as this isn't a I-have-the-same-problem thread.

I don't think there is anything in the works in Fusion 360 that would come even close to Grasshoppers abilities. At least not at Autodesk. They are focussing on other areas, which also need some attention, so things like these fall behind.

 

While I don't think it has quite the abilities Grasshopper has you might want to check out Autodesk Dynamo.

I believe there is a Fusion 360 plugin that connects to it. Unfortunately its Windows only (Dynamo that is).


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Anonymous
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Thanks for the good info!  Unfortunately I am running a mac.  Over the past few years I've found that a mac isn't ideal at all for doing CAD work.  

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TrippyLighting
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Agree! That's why I run a Win10 installation on Bootcamp on my Mac 😉

That way I can have both OS.


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rlytelMNNZ8
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As an industrial designer I would love to see an Algorithms aided design tool aka Grasshopper! It would be great if you guys could do a better interface than grasshopper...much like your volumetric latus tool.
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YudhiAriadi
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Sadly,

 

Dynamo Studio is no longer available

As of June 7, 2021, Dynamo Studio will no longer be available for purchase. Starting January 31, 2022, Dynamo Studio will be discontinued and removed from the Autodesk AEC Collection.

https://www.autodesk.com/products/dynamo-studio/overview

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