Drawing module issues and missing features

[Anonymous]

Hi,
because you released the new Drawing module, I'm trying to use a big assembly imported from NX into Fusion360.

#01 First of all Fusion360 imports the 3d assembly with hidden lines. If I set hidden-lines "off" Fusion360 shows it with hidden lines "on".
If I set hidden lines "on" the drawing is visualized in wireframe. I think the function is inverted.

#02 I want to visualize the imported views in shaded because if you do several projections you have to wait several minutes before Fusion360 completes the job. When you complete the drawings arrangement then you decide what to visualize with hidden lines or wireframe.

#03 Very often during hidden-lines computations the cursor disappears from the screen. (iMac 5K Yosemite 4GB Ati gpu). Sometime it is the legacy Macintosh clock, sometime it's a colour wheel, often it's invisible.
The hidden line engine is really slooooow.

#04 It's impossible to rotate the drawings. If you import the first drawing you can't freely rotate each drawing on paper. You can only move it.

#05 You can't rotate each individual isometric view, we have only few presets.

#06 How can I create exploded views? This is basic for me.

Because the Animation module permits automatic exploded pose I think you should implement this feature in the Drawing module.
Please, don't ask me to post this request on the Idea forum because this feature has to be implemented tomorrow morning.

#07 There is no feedback with the assembly.
I deleted a visible component from the original assembly and the 2d drawings weren't automatically updated.
Probably I don't know how to activate it or it's a missing feature (requested yet).

#08 Each view should have it's own components list because I could delete or hide some parts when necessary. This is basic for me. I could list several cad-cam programs that do this job very well.

#09 The exported dwg is not compatible with Rhinoceros or Illustrator. I tried to open with a demo copy of Autocad for Mac and I was able to open it but in the Mac version I'm not able to use the command EXPORTLAYOUT, this command doesn't exist. Because I use Rhinoceros or Illustrator for my 2d layouts I need a baked copy of the Fusion360 drawing, not the layout version.
Thanks in advance.

regards

[cmiller66]

Hi Gabriele,

First off thank you for the feedback.  It looks like most of the issues you are hitting are known limitations (i.e. not implemented yet), but there may be some bugs there too.

First the ones that might be bugs...For the general performance problems, how large of an assembly are you working with?  Is this issue new for this most recent update or have you seen this in the past?  Performance is something we are and will continue to work on.  I will try the NX assembly, hidden line on/off issue on Monday, this sounds like a bug.

Now the feature issues... We have plans to enhance drawing view orientation, including rotation.  We have added named view support though so if you have a saved view in Fusion it should appear in the orientation drop-down in the view properties dialog.

Drawings does not yet support exploded or shaded views.  We also don't yet support modifying which components appear in an existing view.  If the drawing view is created with the entire design it should always reflect what exists in the design, turning visibility of components on/off in the design won't affect the drawing.  You can create drawings of individual components or a selection of components, but you  can't yet change the selection once they are created.  This is definitely on our To Do list.

Lastly, you're right, EXPORTLAYOUT is not supported in AutoCAD for Mac.  Although this doesn't help you today, I have forwarded a request to the Mac team to make this command available.

Thanks,

Chris 

[cekuhnen]

Thank you for the heads-up that the Fusion DWG does not work with Rhino. !?!

I guess in your current situation you have other choice but maybe use the 2D function in Rhino generating the drawings there with imported STEP files from Fusion.

I still do this for my furniture work in Rhino.

[O.Tan]

I wonder how long we need to wait till Fusion 360 drawings is finally useable, as in for production use

[cekuhnen]

I have no SW experience so where do you think it lacks?

[prabakarm]

@O.Tan We are working as fast as we can with updates approximately every 8 weeks to address the drawing needs.  What is deemed as a production drawing varies but based on the feedback on this topic from this community we are working on a priortized list.  If you can share a sample drawing which you deem as production drawing that will help us answer your question better.  Just to recap in this June update we delivered...

• Detail Views
• Dimension improvements
• Dual unit dimension
• Inspection dimensions
• Dimension tolerances
• Precision control
• Reference, Not to scale and theoretical exact dimension styles
• Creating a new drawing allows setting common options to be set up front
• Access to drawing settings from nav bar at bottom of graphics screen
• Balloon command now allows repeating balloon creation
• Access to named views when creating drawing views
• Baseline dimensions
• Chain dimensions
• Drawings support 2D navigation gestures ( two finger pan and pinch to zoom on supported gesture devices)

For the next update (planned for end of July) we are working on delivering more annotation tools...

Parts List bottom-to-top ordering	•User can control whether the part list numbers top-to-bottom or bottom-to-top by how the object is placed in the drawing
Center mark and Centerline	•Associative center marks and centerlines can be placed on circles, arcs, and between two edges. •Dimensions between center marks, centerlines, and view geometry is associative and respect the current view scale.
Single dimension tool	•New tool that can create many different types of dimensions based on the initial object selected. •Dimensions based on geometry type placed with fewer clicks.
Renumber Balloons and Parts List	•User can renumber balloons to ensure the numbers are sequential, and proceed in a logical order around the drawing. •Parts list is updated to match the new balloon numbers. •Numbers are preserved through view updates. •New part numbers are not changed in the design/model.
Align Balloons	•Balloon notes can be moved, with one command, so that the balloons themselves are aligned either horizontally or vertically in the drawing, providing a cleaner visual appearance.

Thanks,

Prabakar.

[O.Tan]

Good enhancements but still a very long way to go.

Few points which I've mentioned before:
- ordinate dimensions
- hole feature recognise dimensions (user is able to fine tune it even further based on needs)
- able to print drawings (multiple drawings) without having to open the drawing as opening drawings in Fusion can take awhile.

Also what's up with opening drawings causing Fusion to do some kind of reloading? Is it cause Fusion is opening the AutoCAD module? which what Drawings is based on if I recall correctly

[cekuhnen]

@O.Tan

Silly me - I confused drawing with sketching hahaha.

Personally I like the drawing ability to sync live to the data but otherwise I still prefer using Rhino for that type of data drawing generation.

[cmiller66]

Hi O.Tan,

Thanks for the feedback.  Ordinate dimensions and hole notes are definitely on our list.  For the printing request, just wondering what your preferred access point might be,  

You're right that when you open drawings there's more than just Fusion 360 running, if you check Activity Monitor you'll see two additional processes, AcCoreConsole and InventorServerHost.  There will be one of each of these for each open drawing.  These are automatically shut down when the drawing is closed, but in some cases can remain running if you crash.  If you ever encounter these processes running without Fusion, please force quit them.

Thanks,
Chris

[O.Tan]

The short answers:
1. Option to print directly in drawing
2. In the data panel: right click on drawing to print and able to shift + click on multiple drawings to print in a que

Long answer:
http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/design-and-documentation/f360-data-panel-data-management-improvements/...

This is awhile back, but I guess with this method since it works like a table will allow me to select the already created drawings and then print it, no more issues like missing printed drawing or such

The InventorServerHost is interesting as drawings is nothing like the one found in Inventor

[cmiller66]

Hi O. Tan,

OK thanks for the details, I agree it would be good to eliminate the interim step of output to dwg or pdf to get hardcopy output.  Fo the Inventor item, overall drawing creation might be different, but the 3D design -> 2D view creation is quite similar.

Thanks,
Chris

[cekuhnen]

I just worked on a design and needed to add more shapes like holes etc and realized this is not possible in Fusion Drawing.

This is simething we do a lot in Rhino. Yes it sounds odd adding details in drawings but sometimes this is also quicker than adding those in 3D.

Specifically during the prototyping phase.

So it would be a great addition in drawing to add shapes like from sketch and add dimensions as well.

[TimeraAutodesk · Accepted solution]

Hey @cekuhnen,

Simple drawing tools inside of the Drawings workspace are already a line item on our roadmap, so rest assured it will be a feature available soon. There's a couple big projects we are plugging away on at the minute, but I am optimistic to have drawing tools available for the Fall update along with GD&T.

Best,

Timera

[cekuhnen]

ya perfect!

[O.Tan]

Any idea when will I be able to do a leader based dimensioning? Something like the first dimension.

Ability to add symbols like diameter, depth when editing dimension texts

and I guess abilities to display additional .00 (or any based on my needs) is coming this fall? (Right now those R8 and diameter 5, I cannot add additional .00) Also the ability to rotate our dimensions to either be horizontal or vertical is important as well.

Also please allow us to custom scale our drawings, sometime the default increment isn't ideal. 

[Anonymous]

Sorry for the mistake.

Hidden lines switch works properly.

I would like to visualize the geometry in shade and wireframe mode by default. I don't want to wait for the automatic hiding process when I create the layout.

regards

[Anonymous]

The hidden lines process in Rhino is very slow and not precise.

I use Spaceclaim to create 2d drawing projections, this is blazing fast and works bi-directonally with Rhinoceros.

Because Fusion360 is super cool I'd like to use only this program. I don't want to use anymore Rhino+Spaceclaim. This will happen only when Fusion360 will save locally (Fusion360 Pro).

[Anonymous]

Like in this post these features would be nice

like in this design, form and place tolerances, surface roughness,...

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/design-and-documentation/dimensioning-threads-form-place-tolerances-ti...

[Anonymous]

Hi all, It is 2 years since this post , and I am wonder are there anything new in Drawing WS ?

We need more editable tools to make clearly layout so that the manufacturer can read a drawing easier.

In my opinion 2D drawing still importance for making the designed part become real produce.

[TimeraAutodesk]

Hi @Anonymous, 

There has been a LOT of updates to the Drawings workspace in the last 2 years. I'd encourage you to open it up and try it out. Let us know if there are specific requests you have as well.

Best,

Timera