Designing Instruments with Fusion, Joints? Planes? Points? Parametric?

Designing Instruments with Fusion, Joints? Planes? Points? Parametric?

joe.lacour
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Designing Instruments with Fusion, Joints? Planes? Points? Parametric?

joe.lacour
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Often when designing I need to place two assemblies at a know position relative to each other and design the best structure between them.  An example would be an instrument where there is a lens and a sensor which have to be at a relative distance, both linear and offset to the side.  The light will go in the lens, bounce off some mirrors and into the detector.  The lens / detector relationship is known and fixed.  The structure between them has to be designed.

 

So I model the lens and cell, each part a separate file, and stick them in an assembly.  Same with the detector and its associated mounting.  In the main assembly I insert the lens assembly and anchor it to the origin, which is where I want it.  Now comes the detector, I insert it into the main assembly and now I need to locate it the correct distance away in X and offset in Y.   In old CAD I would offset some planes and constrain to these planes so I could tweak the distance if something changes.

 

What would be the best way to position these two sub-assemblies in the main assembly?

 

Before you ask, I no longer use multiple components in a file.  For me, Fusion is much faster and easier to use when each part is a separate file and linked to a sub or main assembly.

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TrippyLighting
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Subassemblies most definitely CAN be grounded.

You just have to manage your origins properly!

 

 


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davebYYPCU
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Autodesk did a series of live tutorial video sessions on an elaborate “saw horse”, and a pencil sharpener, amongst other articles, using the one file approach with sub assemblies, that may help, 

 

Linked or Derived?  All things are Design Dependant, I think I would need a crystal ball, to decide now what lies ahead in the future,  Imagine edits to a linked component used in many files, and only some of those files should up date.

 

Might help.....

 

 

 

 

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TrippyLighting
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There is nothing inherently wrong with designing each component in its own file. One of the advantages is that each component is completely self-contained without references to other objects in a design.

However, for small assemblies such as this, it is definitely not faster!

 

One of Fusion 360's strengths is top-down design, and the ability to design all components in a single file makes concept creation very fast and efficient.

 

For example in the case you described, the length and angles between the light paths are easy to capture in a skeleton (top-level) sketch.

 

Then you can start a new (empty)  component and join it right away to one of the designated points in the light path sketch. Then you can start designing the geometry of that component. If the light paths need to change, you only need to modify the dimensions in that top-level sketch.

This is just one way of designing this with all components in a single file.

 

 


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joe.lacour
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Peter, it is a small assembly now but might not be so small when completed.  I like linked components as I have already experienced a large project slow down.  Linked components seem to help, correct?  What exactly do you mean, a skeleton in the top level?

 

John, I just found your videos on "save as and replace" and "Top down linked components".  Very helpful, thanks.

 

On another note, I have several projects for a customer.  Would it be best to use the "Project" for the customer and individual folders for that customer's projects?  Or a separate Project for each customer project?  If so, can Projects be grouped in some way.  I guess this should be another topic but it sort of relates.  Thanks so much.

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TrippyLighting
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In my private projects I’ve designed assemblies with 400+ components all in one file. While I now work on a 2017 MacBook Pro, one of those assemblies was created on a now 11 year olds 27” iMac. Works without any lag!


‘In my professional work I often create simplified concept models with 100-200 components all in one file.

I often harvest designs from our projects that are all created in SolidWorks. 4000 components is a small machine.

A recent Medium projects had 17000+ components.


What constitutes large in your world?


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joe.lacour
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Well, not quite that large, but maybe the geometry was some of the reason and my equipment.

 

What about sorting customers and projects?  Do you use the project folder for all the customers projects or a project for a project?  If so, how do you keep from having hundreds of project organized?

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TrippyLighting
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I, fortunately, don't have to think about this too much and as such, I have not had to explore the possibilities.

 

I use my own license of Fusion 360 for my private projects and my professional work.

For professional work, I simply created a project for my company and folders for all the customers. The concepts I develop are shared with customers only in the form of a viewable link.

 


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TrippyLighting
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I mentioned in an earlier post that assemblies can be grounded, but did not explain how. Here's a screen recording that hopefully explains it.

 

 


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joe.lacour
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I'm back.  Had friends over from out of town.  Peter, that was really helpful.  But I have a few more questions.

 

Is there a difference between projects and folders or do they function the same?  I use projects for each customer and folders for projects from that customer.  

 

When working on an assembly with lets say 100 to 500 parts, do you keep the assembly file  and all of the parts in one folder or do you have multiple sub-folders for groups of parts?

 

 

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TrippyLighting
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With the introduction of Fusion Team some of what I write here might be out of date.

 

You can link or derive between designs in folder in a project. However, you cannot link or derive components between projects. I believe this is still the case. @jeff_strater please correct me if I am wrong here. 

You can, however, copy designs between projects.

 

You can share a project with other people, but you cannot limit the view to certain folders. The view is limited to a project.

 

If I hade 500 different components in one design I would probably organize some of them in sub-folders, but not likely more than one level of sub folders. The file management abilities of the data panel are very rudimentary. 

 

For example if you would create too deep of a sub folder structure, you can derive or link "stuff" into other designs (within a project) , but if you forgot what folder you placed those designs in, they can be hard to find. You can open the sources of the derived/linked designs but will find  that there is no functionality provided to locate the folder the source file resides in.

 

 

 


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joe.lacour
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OK, got it.  I have been trying a few different structures and nothing is really elegant.  Maybe AD can improve on this in the future.  Peter, it would be nice to see a video describing your file management one day.  I'm not the only one that is looking for elegant ways to organize and manage Customers, projects, assemblies, parts, etc.

 

What is your environment background?  It looks like Grey Room but lighter.  It might be compression for the video making it lighter looking.  Looks nice!

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TrippyLighting
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@joe.lacour wrote:

 

What is your environment background?  It looks like Grey Room but lighter.  It might be compression for the video making it lighter looking.  Looks nice!


That is indeed the Grey Room, which I use quite a bit.


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joe.lacour
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I forgot to ask, in a project or in a  folder I have some folders with components and some assembly files.  They are not in the order I want them in so I would like to put the assemblies at the top and the folders with all the parts below.  But they are in randomly with some of the component folders on the top and assemblies in-between and at the bottom.  Is there any way to move assembly files and component folders around inside of a folder?

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jeff_strater
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@TrippyLighting wrote:

With the introduction of Fusion Team some of what I write here might be out of date.

 

You can link or derive between designs in folder in a project. However, you cannot link or derive components between projects. I believe this is still the case. @jeff_strater please correct me if I am wrong here. 

I believe that you can link or derive between designs in different projects, as long as you are on a "Team Hub" (as opposed to a "private storage" hub.  I believe that is available for anyone using Team Hubs.  I know I can do it from my account, but sometimes we get access to things early...

 


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