Right click for orbit & disable gestures

[Scoox]

This idea has been posted—and archived—multiple times. I hate gestures. Some users swear by them, but I never use them. Telemetry may be signalling Autodesk I constantly use gestures, but what's really happening is I trigger gestures accidentally. It happens very easily whenever I deliver a slightly shaky right click. I find this very distracting. I think a lot of us would appreciate an option to turn this off and perhaps use the RMB for orbiting instead. I don't think this is unreasonable because orbiting is by far the most frequently performed action in any 3D modelling software, closely followed by panning. Thanks!!

[Scoox]

Just now, while recording a screencast to report an issue, the RMB gestures crept up on me again and interrupted the flow of what I was doing. My spontaneous reaction got recorded as part of the screencast, suffice it to say that there is a bit of a growl and moderate heartfelt swearing. I'd love to share that bit as it's pretty comic but I'm not sure it's in agreement with Autodesk's forum rule number 2 (Do not post messages that contain offensive language). But if it's OK to I will share it because it really makes a good point.

[Anonymous]

I disagree that gestures are useless. But I agree that orbiting on the right button is very convenient as in Moi 3D or Rhino.

You need to set the start of the marking menu on the space bar button  jn keyboard, as in MAYA, or the combination: MMB + RMB.

Need to choose two options in the settings, as you like.

[Scoox]

Just written a little AutoHotkey script to monitor mouse usage (only while the Fusion 360 window is active). I've used it for a bit while working in Fusion and it seems  I was wrong, the most frequently used action is pan, the second most frequent action is orbit. However I'm on a Surface Pro 4 which has a relatively small display. I wonder if a larger display would require less panning. Will post results later.

If anyone is curious and would like a copy of the script (or the compiled Windows executable) let me know.

[Scoox]

There it is. I've just been modelling an oversimplified bicycle wheel mainly to ascertain required spoke lengths, and here are my mouse usage statistics. I triggered gestures 3 times but not one of those was intentional, which proves my point that gestures can get in the way.

[Captain-DJ]

I hate gestures to ! Many times i right klick and they will draw this stupid line !

I disable gestures in the settings, but this "feature" will be.

So let the user decide this !

[Sojourner42]

I haven't found out how to disable gestures (I like the radial menu), but there is an option to use the classic context menu. Using the classic menu will disable gestures.

[Scoox]

Oh I didn't know that, I'll check that as son as I get home, therm there is hope! I wonder what will happen to the RMB mouse swipe, I bet it won't orbit...

[boris.stanimirovic]

Yes, yes, yes!!

F360 is such an awesome product but frustrating at the same time because of this "small thing".

I would only add that I would like the middle button to be programmable as panning control, so I can do all the spatial controls with one hand only. 

On a side note, the copy in the latest version of the "what's new in F360" says:

Leader lines for center marks and centerlines just got easier to manipulate. When have one of your center mark or centerline leaders selected, press the SHIFT key make the other leader lines mirror the one you’re editing. Press SHIFT again to disable to the mirroring. This way you don’t have change each leader line individually, because you have have more important things to do. 

- Which is really frustrating since I have to press Shift ALL-THE-TIME to orbit. 

[Anonymous]

Dear gurus,

As a quick fix - would it be possible to disable zoom *while* mouse wheel pressed?

Thanks for this awesome software!

Was not able to work many minutes before a crash last year.

Just tried it again - now stable as a rock and wonderful to work with.

All the best:

/Björn

[goldmale]

As a daily RHINO user I'm dying for a fix to this issue. 

Please let there be a way to customize the following

Right click - Orbit 

Shift + Right click - PAN

CTRL + Right click - Progressive Zoom 

This may require a new button for use on selecting the right click menu for a particular item but that is much easier to  adapt to. 

[SorenJFox]

When setting Pan, Orbit and Zoom shortcuts in preferences, it would be far better to be able to select those controls individually. You can currently select Fusion, Alias, Inventor, or Solidworks, but I have issues with every single one of these control schemes which could be solved by simply allowing users to manually set the controls.

For people who don't use gestures, they are worse than useless, because they get in the way constantly, and take up a control that could be put to use elsewhere.

[Reloecc]

I have created an Autohotkey script for swapping [ r-click ] with [ shift + m-click ] behaviour. So I have "Pan, Zoom, Orbit shortcuts" set to "Fusion", using this AHK, I am happy now. As I've installed Fusion 360 just an hour ago for the first time, I had only two options available:

A) Uninstalling Fusion 360

B) Creating AHK script:

SendMode Input ;don't touch this
SetTitleMatchMode,2 ;don't touch this
#if WinActive("Fusion 360") ;makes all remaps working only if the active window has quoted text in the title
RButton::+MButton ;remaps the right click to behave as the shift + middle
+Mbutton::RButton ;remaps the shift + middle to behave as the right click
XButton1::RButton ;remaps the 4th mouse button behave as the right click

[Scoox]

Quick update, the 28 Sep 2018 update brings TinkerCad mouse mapping to the options! This means we can now orbit with the RMB.

Preferences > General > Pan, Zoom, Orbit shortcuts = Tinkercad

It works almost as expected but now the radial menu no longer displays, just the context menu. Wouldn't it be possible to keep the radial menu, just as if it was part of the context menu? What people were really asking for is a way to disable RMB gestures so that they could use the RMB for orbiting.

The commands in the radial menu are handy e.g. Cancel, Undo, etc. A right click without moving the mouse would would bring up the context menu AND the radial menu—in fact, you could think of these two as being a single fancy menu. Once the radial menu appears, users would simply click the desired command. All that's needed is an option to disable gestures, which has nothing to do with amputating the radial half of the context menu the way the Tinkercad mapping does.

Finally, there's a small usability problem with the current Tinkercad implementation. The first RMB click shows the context menu. If the context menu is visible and the user decides to orbit (again via RMB+Swipe), directly RMB+Swiping doesn't work, because the second RMB click, with or without swipe, will again trigger the context menu rather than hide it. Therefore an extra click is required before orbiting to manually close the context menu. In Windows Explorer, for instance, if the context menu is in view, users can directly start dragging files and the context menu disappears automatically. Dunno if that makes sense.

Still, I'm extremely pleased to see that Autodesk devs are taking this FR seriously, thank you!

[boris.stanimirovic]

Big thanks to Autodesk.. Mu life just became much simpler.

Only yesterday I contemplated buying a 3D mouse - a thing which I HATE, just in order to have a consistent UI across platforms. No need now!!!! 🙂

[Scoox]

@boris.stanimirovic We all know some people swear by 3D mice. Personally, I bought one, tried it for a week and hated it. My left hand suddenly found itself switching back and forth between keyboard and the 3D mouse, rather than just staying on the keyboard. It was one of those small 3DConnexion ones, not the one with loads of shortcut buttons. My problem is that I use a keyboard that, unlike most non-programmable computer keyboards, doesn't suck: the Ergodox EZ. This keyboard can be configured so any key can have have multiple functions. This way, I can have the keys under my left hand work as a numeric keypad when a certain key is held down, much like a shift key. The Ergodox and the new Tinkercad mapping together make any 3D mouse redundant on my desk. Sure, a 3D mouse can do things a regular mouse can't, but it does so at the expense of ergonomics because it requires your left hand to constantly move between keyboard and 3D mouse. Also note that the cheapest 3D mouse with more than just 2 mappable keys costs about as much as the Ergodox but has very awkward button placements whereas the keys on the Ergodox are ergonomically arranged. If you are a serious computer user, be it CAD, editing or coding, I encourage you to take a look at the Ergodox.

[Scoox]

I don't get it,  the radial menu is perfect, and it's already implemented for the old mappings. It's almost as if the person who coded the Tinkercad mapping was specifically told to produce a half-baked solution to deliberately make the Tinkercad mapping less appealing so users continue to use the original Fusion360 mapping. I can't see any technical reason why the Tinkercad mapping and the radial menu can't coexist. Please can we have the full context+radial menu back?

[Anonymous]

I was very pleased to read about the Tinkercad option in Preferences, for Right Click Orbiting. 

But what happened to Panning?  It seems the only possible way is to click the Hand button.

It's like whoever implemented this has never used Tinkercad. 

Very confused. 

[Anonymous]

"I have created an Autohotkey script for swapping [ r-click ] with [ shift + m-click ] behaviour."

That worked perfect. RMB is now Orbit. I thought I lost the pop up menu but its button four or whatever.  Thanks Reloecc!!

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately when you go to perform an action and a dialog window pops up RMB goes back to gestures. It goes back to Orbit when done but this will take some getting used to.  It would be nice if Autodesk would just give the option of RMB click to be the radial menu and RMB hold be Orbit. Someday. 

[Scoox]

Yes, I really don't see the need to provide mapping presets at all. Fusion 360 is my first 3D modelling software, so I don't have the slightest clue how mouse buttons are mapped in "TinkerCAD" or "Solidworks" or whatever, as far as I'm concerned these are just random names, and in the end the only way to figure out what each mapping does is to try each one of them, one by one. Mice with programmable buttons come with a configurator program that gives you a drop-down for each mouse button, you simple pick from the list what you want each button to do, quite intuitive actually.  No need to be so clever about it, it's already been invented...