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perpendicular constraint of line to arc/circle and spline

perpendicular constraint of line to arc/circle and spline

 

line tangent arc spline works

 

line perpendicular to arc spline does not

 

face palm 😉

39 Comments
HughesTooling
Consultant

I seem to remember the constraint solver in Inventor is licenced from someone else (D-Cubed from Siemens) and the one in Fusion is Autodesk's own. I guess we're the beta testers and if the one in Fusion gets good enough it will end up in Inventor.

 

Mark

cekuhnen
Mentor

@HughesTooling Ah that makes sense then.

Could be intentional.. but I'd apply Hanlon's Razor and say this is most likely just an oversight.

 

Obviously the constraint solver in F360 works and can do this. A perpendicular is just a right angle from a tangent line and that apparently is there 

cekuhnen
Mentor

@roambotics_scott I agree here. That is why I think some new people get the impression fusion is kept behind Inventor on purpose.

HughesTooling
Consultant

I was thinking more about the inability to add tangent and perpendicular constraints to a spline. There was a thread where @jeff_strater explained a bit about why.

 

Mark

Ah I thought that was added.. definitely harder (and likely to go badly with timeline modifications). If you can't do one, it's reasonable not to be able to do both (though for cubic splines, you don't even need to use numeric methods)

For a cubic spline, if X̲(𝝀) is the vector position for a cubic spline, and Ẋ̲(𝝀) is the vector derivative, the tangent direction is just

 

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As long as you know the value of 𝝀 for a given position on the parameterised spline, you can literally just write down the tangent (and through a tiny bit of geometry or linear algebra the normal) directions, so with no work, you'd have both lines

 

Literally no need for a constraint solver to do that (at worst / being very generous, you just need to solve the cubic for a given position to find the value of 𝝀 that corresponds to the coordinates, and that you can also just write down without resorting to any numerical methods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_function#General_solution_to_the_cubic_equation_with_real_coeffi...)

Note: using vertical vector notation, where an underbar is a vector X̲, that consists of x, and y coordinates above and below, and the over-dot Ẋ̲ is just the first derivative of X̲(𝝀) with respect to 𝝀

kb9ydn
Advisor

Interesting that Inventor can do perpendicular to arc and Solidworks cannot.  I suppose you could make the argument that for an arc it's the same thing as making the line coincident with the center, but why not still allow for perpendicular?  It works with splines.

 

Anyway Fusion should have this.

 

 

C|

I'd also guess that's an oversight. Arcs are just parts of circles so they also don't need numeric methods.

A nice solver would be great though so it could cover all curves
promm
Alumni
Status changed to: オートデスク今後検討

@cekuhnen,

 

There are workarounds that require you to constrain to the tangent handles.  This request would automate the workflow, what is your perspective on the priority of this versus CV splines?

 

Thank you,

 

Mike Prom

cekuhnen
Mentor

@promm

 

CV spline are more important as those are drawing tools I use always while the perpendicular constraint onto a spline not very often.

 

I hope G1 or G2 constraint with CV splines will be part of it so you can nicely sculpt blend curves.

kb9ydn
Advisor

I don't do much in the way of curves in sketches, but I would agree with @cekuhnen that CV splines are more important than perpendicular constraints to arcs/splines.

 

C|

promm
Alumni
Status changed to: Future Consideration

Thank you for your idea, based off of the discussion at the end of this thread this idea is being moved to future consideration. 

 

Cheers,

 

Mike Prom

 

Internal tracking FUS-20092

Smartkid
Contributor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv3ss1IEByw

 

Basically I want the perpendicular sketch constraint to work between curves and lines the way it does in Autodesk Inventor.

 

Thanks!

-Cody

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HughesTooling
Consultant

This has been requested quite a few times. The workaround for now is to add a coincident constraint, select the line then the arc centre. Unfortunately there's no workaround for splines, you can't even add a tangent to a spline.

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Mark

Anonymous
Not applicable

 Here is the same idea with many votes already and in promising status. You can add your votes there.

Smartkid
Contributor

@ HughesTooling How did you get the dark theme?

Anonymous
Not applicable

@Smartkid Themes are switched here:

 

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hoegge
Collaborator

So more than two year later - why hasn't perpendicular line to arc/circle constraint not been done yet? @promm

 

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Morten

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