Device 3D package conflict

[Kristey]

Hello

I have a device with symbol+footprint. I tried add a 3D like i make with other devices.
However, in this case, the 3D package is assigned on my footprint but didnt appear on my device.

I tried delete the 3D package but this is fail because it is in use, I tried edit but didnt work because the 3D package is outdated.....

How i can solve this ?

    

[ritste20]

This a partial repost from another thread. I'm not 100% sure what you're asking for but it you are trying to delete a 3D package from a library this may help...

(repost) 

Deleting packages from libraries is more of a falling upwards proposition in my experience. The stars have to align with Venus in retrograde, blah, blah, blah.

Something to try is going through the devices that previously used the package in question and deleting them from the variant definitions. Once you've done that anywhere it was used, go to the packages tab and try to right-click delete from there. You can't unlink the package from the footprint because I always get the permissions message when I try to as well. But from the packages tab, you should be able to delete it from there and it will remove it from the footprint definition that way.

Regards,

[Kristey]

Thank you to anwser me. I already tried this but did'nt work.

This is very frustrating.
I've gone through 100 different paths to try a solution. Until now delete the device. Nothing worked.

[ritste20]

I doubt this will change anything but have you tried editing the package through the library manager, deleting the linked component, and finishing the edit to save a new version to the library? Maybe then you can delete it from the packages tab?

Not sure but it seems like there are some weird dependencies at play here...

Regards,

[Taylor.Chris]

The package in conflict issue I have come across recently and unfortunately I'm not sure what to do about it.  I'll try and find someone who knows how to help with that.   You should be able to delete the package from the library however so long as you make sure no device is referencing it.   You can see the "used in" property in the bottom window, which will show you all the devices referencing the package.  You can double click those rows to edit each device, then in the content manager, right click on the footprint and say "remove from [device name]" (alternatively you can also remove them in the device editing workspace).  If that list is empty and you still cannot delete it, then something is wrong and we will create a bug ticket (footprint references will be listed, but should be fine).  I just spent some time building things in different ways and was unable to reproduce any issues with that, so if you can help us figure out how to reproduce a delete issue we would be grateful.

Thanks,
Chris

[Taylor.Chris]

@ritste20 , in response to that message that you reposted, the footprint links do not prevent the package from being deleted (at least they should not).  It's always that the devices referencing the package that prevents them from being deleted.   You can remove the package from the device in the device editor, on the right side, the same as in eagle.  You can also remove it using the content manager, but content manager has an oddity: to remove the devices link to the package, you have to right click on the footprint and select "remove from [device name]".  This will break the devices reference to the package.  This part is a bit confusing, the footprint / package relationship has always been a bit odd in eagle.  We are working to make it more clear.

[ritste20]

yes, this is just the process I generally follow because it seems to have been the least prone to causing headaches and a general state of crabbiness...

I think if in a future update if the dependencies were better defined or the error messages were easier to decipher then I think we would probably all enjoy the fruits of that labor. Thank you for clarifying!

Regards,

[HelenChen-AutodeskQA]

Hi @Kristey,

So sorry to hear that you're having trouble.

If you mouse hover on the out-of-date text, you may see a tooltip which says: Newer version available. Update #### or use Save As Latest.

Please go to File menu > Click Save as Latest to save the modification of the 3D Package. 

Then it should work for you for later workflow.

So sorry for any confusion and inconvenience.

Please feel free to let us know if you have any other questions. 

Regards,

Helen

[HelenChen-AutodeskQA]

And please kindly notice if you using Save As Latest, there is a reminder message pops up.

If the saved new version lost the changes you wanted after that, please edit the 3D Package in the library editor directly to modify it. But please NOT open the 3D Package from Fusion Data Panel to modify, otherwise you will enter into the out of date saving loop again.

Hope it helps.

Regards,

Helen

[Kristey]

If you want I can send you the library.

I tried delete all "parts", first just the package, after that I delete all device, import again.
None of these options solved the problem.

If it helps, the footprint of the device in question is used on another device.

[Kristey]

I already try this.
But didn't solve too 😕

[Kristey]

@Taylor.Chris I will try explain to you

For example, this mosfet didnt show on my 3D PCB.
For this reason I open the device on library and tried see or edit the 3D Package inside the electronic device.
(I tried delete too but I have the same error again)
A pop up with an error is shown on the screen:

Well, what do I do from here?

I already tried to create a new 3D Model 

After creating a new 3D model for this package and finishing the process, nothing changes and the 3D Package that is associated with the mosfet is the same as before.
I see this because the names of the old 3D package and the recent 3D package are different, and the name that appears associated with it remains the old name.

This is annoying, I see these dependencies are weird.
I want to delete an object from a device, which says it cannot be deleted because it is being used on that device.

[Taylor.Chris]

Yes you need to remove the footprint from all devices.  Devices are generally actually pointing to the packages, not the footprints.  The tree structure is confusing and needs to be reworked to show this.

[Taylor.Chris]

Another way to explain this is that in order to delete a package, you should not be seeing the package on the devices tab at all.  If you can expand the device to see the package, its being used by the device.  

[Kristey]

@Taylor.Chris 

This is very strange.
(for example) That's why I have several devices packaged with SOT23 , and I have a package for each device.
Under normal conditions, a 3D model associated with a footprint would be enough, and this footprint associated with all devices that use SOT23, but library management has always been an issue since eagle. Lots of ways to do the same thing, deluded information and strange dependencies.

The problem here is that I've already tried to create a new device, and even so it always conflicts with what's already in the library and I can't delete it because it's already being used in other projects here at the university.

I understand that you want to make a manager compatible with the eagle libraries.

But maybe it was better to redesign the library system from Creation, to editing, and even import components from other libraries, increasingly common with sites like https://componentsearchengine.com/, https://www.snapeda. with/ etc etc.

And have a tool that converts old libraries to your "new format".

Right now even the names the components have are weird.
Devices have a name, packages have a technology dependent name, a technology inside a library is referred to as a package, it's a real mess.

I feel that things have or already had a purpose to be like this, but from what I see in the videos and tutorials this workflow has never passed to users, and it seems to me that there are huge layers of adaptations to have compatibility between some features, variables and software versions.

[benjamin.jordan]

I haven't taken the time to read all the replies about how to delete or not delete because to me it doesn't seem like that's the original problem. Just looking at your screenshot and the original issue of not seeing the 3D package that you added.... I have to ask - did you try expanding the dialog? The 3D Package Preview is there, just squished so you couldn't see it (or did I miss something?):

[HelenChen-AutodeskQA]

Hi @Kristey ,

Hope all is well. How time flies.

I'd like to share with you that in today's latest Fusion version 2.0.17710 we now introduced an improvement when opening library which has updated 3D Package outside of the library file.

So if you modify the 3D Package outside of library file > Reopen the saved library > Switch to Packages of Content Manager > You could see an update icon the right click 3D Package > Right click the package > Update to latest. 

Then it will take the update to the library.

Could you please upgrade to latest version and have a try when you have time?

Thank you very much.

Best regards,

Helen