Sorry I forgot to bind the Xrefs!!!   This project had the issue the most consistently and now I'm not finding any issue with it... so thank you so much for trying but I don't want to waste your time until I can find a file that consistantly has the issue!  

I type very quickly so I suspect its something I'm doing.  Also, we don't draft really, we bring in Architect's CAD drawings into our templates as Xref's so they are fraught with errors.  

Thank you for your help- I'll be sure to repost (with erros cleaned, Xrefs bound) if I find a file with the issue consistently.