So I guess my ultimate question for everyone here on Fabrication CadMep is, can I created a duct drawing that can be seen with AutoCad, not having to install an Object Enabler? I need the drawing to show duct objects, dimentions, elevations and alias. I can expect all the people that received my drawings to have install an object enabler to see it. A lot of people are not very cad-savvy. Their systems were set up by some one else or even by a consult company. So it's a problem expecting them to in stall OE. I have tried to use the flatten command but all the text is destroyed. But I want to thank the people who have assisted Mr on this subject. Thanks.