I can confirm I'm using the latest version of Revit... 2018.3 I believe.

I need to check on the Fabrication though.

I'll get back to you really soon with more info on that.

Really quickly, my "workflow" I've been doing to try to make a Fab "library" that's company specific, was basically, duplicating existing Service Templates, and Services. And naming them something that's "my company name" prefixed. And at the same time, I've been populating a folder structure to be a "company centric" folder structure. So I can keep every ITM that's active in any company service and/or service template, it would be coming from our company folder structure.

Part of my reasoning is that this will allow me to download stuff, test it out first, then throw it into our "validated" folders, for company wide use.

The folders will be placed in a read-only area, and that's where everyone (except me) will be mapped to. Seeing as I'm the one that's going to evolve this library.

Like I said, I'll get back to you later regarding this, kind of neck deep in something right this minute, but I wanted to make sure you knew I saw this.

Thank you in advance!

I am pretty certain you are correct.

Yes, I'm duplicating, (with minimal modifications).

1. Copy all needed ITMs into my company file structure.

2. Duplicate Service, rename it to my company specific service

3. Duplicate Service Template

At this point all is gravy...

In order to make these service templates point to my relocated ITMs, I had to delete all the buttons and drop in new ones using the ITMs in my relocated area. I have not noticed a way to "repoint" an existing button to a different ITM. Seems like you need to delete, then replace.

And that's where your findings come into place. I'm not able to get back onto this until probably Monday, maybe Tuesday, but I'm going to dig into what you're saying. Plus verify I have the latest versions as well.

While I have you here, maybe you can solve another problem I'm having. But I'll post another topic on it, so this one thread won't split topics. And require two "answer acceptions".

Hello @mroble

I hope you are doing well and making lots of progress on your project. 

I wanted to check in and see if you had a chance to review the suggestion(s) from my last forum post, or if you have any additional questions for me?

If you found my previous post addressed your problem, please click on "Accept Solution" to help others with similar questions.

Thank you and I look forward to your thoughts!

@donald.kunath, sorry for the delay, I had like 3 submittal dates all within 4 days of each other. I had to table my Fabrication development until after my last one went out yesterday.

Been chomping at the bit for 3 days dying to test this.

Thank you sir! That was it!

I noticed all those "Bend" options in the individual buttom properties were blank. I had to fill those in.

I am going to make a pass through all my Services making sure those are set.

Follow up question... I saw those needed set to "Bend" or "RedBend" or whatever. I did not see one for Tee... I did see a couple that looked like they were for reducing tees however. Is there a name that's not readily apparent for a tee that I should point them to?

Hi @mroble

No worries, there is always fires to put out and those come first!  Thanks for the update, I am glad we were able to get that going for you again.

As far as your follow up question, I would recommend if you couldn’t locate specifically Tee, enter this yourself as a value.  There are 3 different types of tee’s from the list but that doesn’t limit what you can enter as far as text.

I would recommend cross comparing your button mapping between your duplicated services so see how they line up, and if you are indeed missing anything small.

If you found my post solved your problem, please click on "Accept Solution" to help others with similar questions.

Thank you and I look forward to your thoughts!

@donald.kunath

I just found this nifty little location...

@donald.kunath

Where does button mappings like this come from?

I mean, I can make things up. But I have to think there is a database somewhere that has all these stored.

I was looking through the old Service Template that came in by default.

Those flanges are like:

RFWN150

FFWN150

RFSO150

FFSO150

RFBF150

etc... 

They all make sense, but I can't tell if these are coming from a database or not. What if I was to go in there and type 150RFWN? Seems like I can just type anything in there.

Hello @mroble

Thank you for your reply!

There isn’t a list of predefined button codes, what you are seeing as far as button mapping is by design.  In addition there is not a database that has all of these stored.  

As you mentioned you can make the names up, or you can duplicate the names, but you will have to set the draw order and you would need to develop your own naming conventions.  If you use the same button code you will need set the lower and upper limits depending on your design.

If you found my post addressed your question, please click on "Accept Solution" to help others with similar questions.

Thank you and I look forward to your thoughts!

@donald.kunath

Thank you!

How do you set the drawing order?

I HAVE noticed that if you set the stuff in the bottom of your service template..

That sets a nice default setting for your upper and lowers

Plus, you can make a button do something different if you so choose too, so you're not married to the service setting.

I haven't seen anything about draw order though. At least not labeled as such.

Thank you for all your help so far!

@donald.kunath

Thank you! I'm going to dig into these again today. I finally got a clean slate on my desk for today, and I can dedicate an entire (or most of) a day to this.

Are you and your CADMEP professionals going to be at AU by any chance?

@donald.kunath

Another quick question...

You stated "As you mentioned you can make the names up, or you can duplicate the names, but you will have to set the draw order and you would need to develop your own naming conventions."

When I do that, these do not become options in the button mapping, and therefore cannot set the draw order.

For instance, if I select a 150# raised face weldneck flange, I go in, type in RFWN150 in that field, then if I go to button mapping, there is no RFWN150 in there for me to move up, or down. Which is why I'm having such a hard time wrapping my mind around how you can just type anything in there. If it doesn't matter what you type in there, why type anything at all? 

I guess I'm just used to specific text telling the entity what to do, you know? Think LISP. You mistype anything, the whole lisp fails. Old-school mindset, I know. haha

@donald.kunath

Got my PVC Sch 80 and PVC Sch 40 to work, but I just took the default Charlotte templates and services and duplicated them. The only "change" I did, was add tabs. Pipes, Fittings, and Flanges and divied things up. So as to not have one tabs with 50 entities strung about in no specific order.

Also flanges come with Sch 80, but not Sch 40, so I copied the flanges tabs from 80 into 40 (thanks to the tip from the video you posted), and they work together just fine.

I guess what started my endeavor here was my next step would be to copy all the ITMs for the Charlotte stuff into my company specific folder structure, then re-add button scoming FROM the new folders, but, honestly, might not be worth it.

@donald.kunath

Yes, it's working now.

Previously something got wacky when I tried copying the ITMs over to the new folder structure, then deleted and replaced the buttons with the relocated ITMs.

For now, I'm just going to use this as it is, and as I putz around in the settings, I'll begin to fine tune these again. But for right this minute, it's working like a charm.

I'll be attending, I can't wait. I didn't see any classes centered around CADMEP though, not a deal-breaker obviously, but do you happen to know where I can obtain some good literature on management of CADMEP?

It almost seems like it's Autodesk's hidden little secret that it likes to keep hidden in the shadows.