Fab ESTMEP 2018 Pipe hangers not picking the correct Support #1

[Anonymous]

We have our hangers set up to oversize based on the pipe size.  For example, in Item/Edit, under "Name", the 2" hanger will be used for the 1/2", 3/4" and 1" pipe.  We have the ID for the 2" hanger for each of these size slots as well, which gives us the correct pricing.

Through version 2016, this worked well.  The correct hanger, plus the correct Support #1 (ancillaries) would be chosen.

However, with 2018, some of the ancillaries in the Support #1 is not chosen correctly...there are some ancillaries defaulting to the largest size. 

For example, on a 1/2" insulated pipe, we will get a 2" hanger, along with a 2" Protection Shield. (+/- $2) - Perfect

However, on a 3/4" insulated pipe, we will get the same 2" hanger, but it will have a 30" (last size in our list) Protection Saddle (+/- $60) - Way to expensive...why the 30"

For some reason, it is not picking the correct "Insert Type" for the 3/4", even though it is using the same 2" hanger.

Thoughts?

[Anonymous]

Was told by Autodesk that there was a hanger bug, & that there would be a service pack coming out, but have not seen anything yet...

[Anonymous]

I think they've got major issues in there Gene. I submitted a whole database to them showing them inconsistencies in how price and labor were accounted for.

You can add ancillaries to an ITM.

You can also add them to the support spec.

Or the support spec could use an ancillary kit which uses ancillaries.

You can have breakpoints on a Support Spec, Ancillary Kit or even some types of ancillaries. You can even do things like have a support spec with breakponits use a kit with breakpoints using ancillaries with breakpoints. Granted, this doesn't make sense but you can do it.

Theoretically it should all work and I wanted to test the best place to put them so I mapped all the various ways you "could" map ancillaries to a hanger.  I then used something like the following....

1" Hanger = $1, 2" Hanger $2

1" Hanger Rod $10, 2" Hanger Rod $20

1" Hanger Insert $100, 2" Hanger Insert $200

...etc...

I used 3/4 hours for Fab LAbor and 5/6 hours for install labor. 

When it's all done, I should get a Cost of $11111111.0 for a 1" Hanger and $22222222.0 for a 2" hanger. Labor would be similar. 

There were zero cases where the information was consistent between 1" and 2" hangers AND complete regardless of the on how the ancillaries were accounted for, many cases, some information would be missing, or incorrect. It was a mess.

Been a couple weeks now and I've not heard back.