Fusion 360 replacing Eagle in future

[havlicek6TH3H]

Hi,

I heard some part of podcast with Matt Berggren where he talked about his work on Fusion 360 (electronic part of Fusion). Eagle updates seems to be stopped and there are only necessary ones. So I would like to ask if there are any steps toward switching from Eagle to Fusion. I understand, that it would be reasonable step from Autodesk.

Best regards, Vojta

[sdalling]

This is starting to be my fear as well. The recent Autodesk University in Los Vegas showcased this new Fusion360 with ECAD interface.

Granted it is nice for people that do MCAD/ECAD products but personally I don't want Fusion360 to absorb EagleCAD.

[mad.macs]

I would be surprised if it absorbed it. It would be killing a revenue stream for them. The features they showed are almost all there now with Push/Pull from Eagle and Fusion. My guess is you will still be doing most of the board design in Eagle for anything beyond the most basic boards.

I'm excited as Fusion/Eagle integration is still very much in it's infancy, If not at the Angry Toddler stage.

For those of us who didn't grow up with Eagle, it needs a lot of attention in the UI design to make it easier to use for people like me. Making components with 3D elements is about as kludgy as it gets. I'm hoping some of that development energy will correct those issues.

[sdalling]

As of today EagleCAD is only available with Fusion360. For personal or professional use you must get a Fusion360 license.

Autodesk EAGLE now included with Fusion 360

To me this is a sad day indeed, especially since the "Announcement" for this was through an email and from what I can see never on the website.

[infinite.machinery]

After reading the update information I'm really confused. 

I currently have an Eagle Standard subscription. Will I be able to maintain that as long as I renew it annually, or will I be forced to subscribe to Fusion 360?

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After a more careful reading, it looks like for the price of my Eagle Standard subscription (as long as I maintain it) I will get Fusion 360 thrown in for free. Is that correct?

[jorge_garcia]

Hi @inifinite.machinery,

Your assessment is correct, as long as you maintain it you will get Fusion 360 thrown in for free. If you ever stop your subscription then you lose the grandfather status and you would have to get a current offering.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,

[jorge_garcia]

Hi @sdalling,

I want to make a special note here, Fusion360 has a personal license that is free for personal non-commercial use so in that sense there would be no change for free users.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,

[infinite.machinery]

I'm currently using the personal version of Fusion 360, would that license now be upgraded for commercial use?

[jorge_garcia]

Hello @infinite.machinery,

That is correct, you should see a commercial entitlement show up in your manage.autodesk account shortly.

Best Regards,

[craigOrionTech]

I paid for the year of Fusion360 before the offer ran out last year.  I also pay for the Eagle Premium.  How does this work?  Do I need to change my Fusion360 subscription?

[alexA3RDM]

@jorge_garcia This is pretty confusing for me as well; I have to say I would have loved a bit more notice to get ducks in order first.

I've currently got a Fusion360 startup subscription. With the model change in October last year (which I honestly totally agree with), I'll be required to get a paid subscription next time my term is up. I deliberately DIDN'T take the deal offered in October, since I had just re-upped my startup subscription. Basically, $310/yr starting now (october 2019) was only cheaper than $495/yr starting later (october 2020) after like 2 and change years. So I held off.

On the Eagle side, I do mostly designs that fit within the Standard license, and just switch to the Premium subscription monthly as projects require.

This licensing scheme pretty much blows my 360 subscription calculations out of the water, and leaves my Eagle options up in the air at a time when I might literally need to switch to premium TODAY for a project underway.

On the one hand, it looks like I now have Eagle Standard with Fusion 360 commerical thrown in for free, grandfathered at $15/mo. That's cool! I can get down with that! FWIW, the email was VERY confusing here:

Your Autodesk Account will be updated with your new Fusion 360 - with EAGLE standard subscription. Your current EAGLE subscription term will remain unaffected and you’ll have the option to renew at your current price of $100 USD when your existing term ends.

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My current price is not $100, for anything. Not $100/yr, not $100/mo. And my Fusion 360 term ends (or at least ended) like 10 months from now. My Eagle term ends in about 25 days. Which is it?

On the other hand, what do I do if I need Eagle Premium, today? Did I just suddenly get a $495 bill in my inbox?

Bottom line - how do I get a license allowing >4 layers immediately-right-now? Even if I do drop $500 right now, the website doesn't mention WHAT kind of Eagle you get with F360 if I pay.

Less-bottom-line, what's my cheap option here?

[mad.macs]

I bit on the Fusion 360 offer in October. I use Fusion every day, I wasn't close to making 100K with it, but it looked like it was the right time to jump on board. I did. I also was paying the subscription for Eagle. At $15 a month I was getting my moneys worth out of that as well.

It sounds like Autodesk is trying to do the right thing, although it would have been great to get Fusion 360 commercial for $15/month.

[alexA3RDM]

A friend of mine is in the same boat - jumped on the Fusion offer but doesn't have current Eagle. Now we need to trade so I can keep working and he can have my $15/mo F360 😛

[mad.macs]

Yah, but slip up on one months payment and you'll pay more for the Fusion!

[alexA3RDM]

For what it's worth, I have every reason to trust Autodesk that, if I had a billing issue or something and the subscription lapsed, they'd sort it out and let me carry on.

But it does pretty solidly put a hole in my previous MO of "only renew on months I actually need it"

[sandheepB77XA]

yeah, when i upgraded my standalone version of eagle to the subscription model, i was banking on the ability to switch back and forth between standard and premium on a yearly basis--i hope that option gets preserved. 

i also hope that this grandfathering in gets honored in perpetuity.

and i hope that these products continue to maintain independence from each other.  i'm a solidworks user, and i don't need the bloat of another MCAD package on my PC. 

and finally i hope that the product managers are listening to all of our feedback on this thread.  but as i've been told many times, hope is not an effective management strategy.

and yeah, learning about this via email from a marketing coordinator that i've never heard of (instead of from a central Autodesk account), was probably not the best way to handle this.

[infinite.machinery]

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@alexA3RDM wrote:

For what it's worth, I have every reason to trust Autodesk that, if I had a billing issue or something and the subscription lapsed, they'd sort it out and let me carry on.

But it does pretty solidly put a hole in my previous MO of "only renew on months I actually need it"

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Yeah, it's pretty obvious  Autodesk would like to push you towards full a Fusion 360 subscription. That being said I'm pleased with having my current Eagle Standard grandfathered in with a commercial Fusion 360 license.

[alexA3RDM]

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@sandheepB77XA wrote:

and i hope that these products continue to maintain independence from each other.  i'm a solidworks user, and i don't need the bloat of another MCAD package on my PC. 

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This is absolutely not going to happen - this licensing change is very deliberately a precursor to fully-integrated MCAD and ECAD in the same software package. Independent Eagle IS going away. Matt Berggren's been pretty vocal about this being the case https://theamphour.com/471-an-interview-with-matt-berggren/

Personally I'm totally fine with that - the new interface looks like it'll be MUCH better than Eagle's present even since Autodesk has put in so much work improving it. Designing stuff in F360 is so much easier and faster than in Eagle - I'm totally on board.

But to your point about bloat, yeah, if you only use Eagle for EDA, it's definitely going to be bloatier. 

[alexA3RDM]

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@infinite.machinery wrote:

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Yeah, it's pretty obvious  Autodesk would like to push you towards full a Fusion 360 subscription. That being said I'm pleased with having my current Eagle Standard grandfathered in with a commercial Fusion 360 license.

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And in point of fact, I'm totally cool with that - I'd planned on upgrading to a $500/yr F360 license in due course when my current term expires. That Eagle gets thrown in effectively for free is just lovely.

But for me, immediately, it messes up a bunch of financial planning I had done, and for others generally, it's a bummer that your Eagle options are now Free (noncommerical) or $500/yr (kitchen sink) with nothing in between. The $500 kitchen sink really is a killer deal, but not for someone who otherwise would have been paying $15/mo for relatively simple but still commercial designs.

[pmoulder78]

When is this going live?  I've just downloaded fusion and alli get is the 3d stuff