Cut/Copy/Paste broken and inconsistent on Mac

[Anonymous]

I've noticed some inconsistent behaviour with Cut/Copy/Paste (at least on Mac).

Let's start with the Edit menu which shows:

Cut   ⌘X

Copy  ⌘C

Paste ⌘V

If I highlight something and use the Cut shortcut (⌘X) it will beep (though it will not beep if I use the menu).  Nothing will happen in either case and nothing will paste.

If I highlight something and use the Copy shortcut (⌘C) it will beep (seemingly indicating an issue), but it will copy and it will paste. Again, it will not beep if access through the menu.

In all cases, nothing is greyed out at any time from the Edit Menu (not context sensitive). 

Looking at the Marking Menu (which is more context aware), shortcuts are shown with the CTRL modifier.  This is incorrect as these shortcuts don't work at all using CTRL on a Mac.

Copy/Pasting within a sketch, pastes exactly on top.

However, Copy/Pasting from one sketch to another will result in the object being pasted but mirrorred in both axes around the origin. 

Unless, that is, you deselect the object being copied before pasting into a new or existing sketch (as shown in SC below).

Now and from this point onward, Copy/Pasting will paste in same place (not mirrored) from one sketch to another.

Furthermore, if you Copy/Paste within a sketch but then ESC or Cancel, no copy will happen, as expected.

However, if you Copy/Paste from one sketch to another and then  hit ESC or Cancel, a copy will in fact occur. 

[Phil.E]

Hi,

Thanks for pointing these things out.

The Edit menu items should be grey if not available. I'm not sure how hard that is to achieve, but will log an improvement request for that.

You should never expect Cut to work, via Edit menu or shortcut. Cut is reserved for moving things between components on the browser, i.e. dragging a sketch from one to the other is a cut/paste operation, nominally.

When you "highlight" an object, if you are talking about dragging a selection box around a 3D object, you will get a failed copy/paste because your selection filter is wide open. When this is the state of selection, some selections are dominant, some ignored. In this case, Face selection is the result, and you can't copy and paste a set of faces that make a manifold solid. 

Suggestion: change your selection filter to Body if you want to copy and paste bodies, or Components if you wish to do this with components. A much more stable and reliable way would be to use the browser for copy/paste actions. The object selection is unambiguous, and it's the primary purpose of the browser (to allow selection of various elements in your design).

Marking menu: Another improvement request will be logged. It should say "command + C" or "command + P", or perhaps use the little squiggly icon instead of "command".

For some reason I cannot reproduce the flipping sketch problem, if you can find any more determinate steps that might help.

And lastly, can you explain in more detail the steps for this workflow?

"Furthermore, if you Copy/Paste within a sketch but then ESC or Cancel, no copy will happen, as expected.

However, if you Copy/Paste from one sketch to another and then  hit ESC or Cancel, a copy will in fact occur. "

I'm finding that after Copy/Paste within a sketch, hitting ESC happens after the paste, and the objects are in fact pasted. After copy and paste to another sketch, same thing. Hitting ESC after pasting is too late.

Is there a missing step for me? I want to be sure to capture all of your feedback accurately. Thanks for the help.

Regards,

[Anonymous]

Hi Phil!

Thanks for responding. I'll try to address and unpack everything...

The Edit menu items should be grey if not available.

Thanks for logging an improvement.

When you "highlight" an object, if you are talking about dragging a selection box around a 3D object..

As shown in the SC, I'm dragging a selection box around a simple sketch line. Nothing complicated and no failed paste, so I'm a little confused why you're referring to faces, bodies and components.

Marking menu: Another improvement request will be logged. It should say "command + C" or "command + P"...

Thanks. And it would be ⌘+V for paste not P  

For some reason I cannot reproduce the flipping sketch problem...

That's strange. I tried to reduce the issue to the most basic form and it happens all the time with a new file.  Are you sure you tried it exactly like shown in the SC? You have to make a selection around the object, stop sketch (without clicking anywhere else), then create new sketch and finally paste. I only discovered this behaviour while troubleshooting another user experiencing the same behaviour, so it's not just me. 

And lastly, can you explain in more detail the steps for this workflow?

"Furthermore, if you Copy/Paste within a sketch but then ESC or Cancel, no copy will happen, as expected.

However, if you Copy/Paste from one sketch to another and then  hit ESC or Cancel, a copy will in fact occur. "

OK try this, edit a sketch and make a selection around an object. Now, copy (either from shortcut or marking menu) it. Now paste. You should see the move controls. If you say, move the object with the controls but then hit either Esc or Cancel (in the dialog), everything will disappear. Nothing will remain on screen. This is expected since the operation was aborted.

However, if you do the exact same steps but instead of pasting into the existing sketch, you create a new sketch and past. Hitting Esc or Cancel will not abort the operation. I would expect nothing to remain as before. 

If you are finding hitting Esc or Cancel still pastes, then I would argue that's a bug as Cancel isn't doing anything.

If the Move/Copy dialog box is still presenting the user with a Cancel option, it should in fact cancel.

Also, I'm wondering if you're using a Mac? 

I hope that clears some things up but if not, I can make another SC with some voiceover.

cheers!

[Anonymous]

Just linking this to the other thread for posterity.

Short answer: the bug is dependent on which plane you select. XZ being more problematic than the others.

[Phil.E]

The flipping sketch problem is already reported thanks to the other post you supplied. Yes it seems related to XZ plane.

And to close the loop here:

"Furthermore, if you Copy/Paste within a sketch but then ESC or Cancel, no copy will happen, as expected.

However, if you Copy/Paste from one sketch to another and then  hit ESC or Cancel, a copy will in fact occur. "

Actually in both cases the copy and paste occurs. You are describing hitting ESC during the move command. Canceling the move command is what you are achieving in both cases.

In the first case, you are just not noticing the pasted sketch because it's sitting right on top of your copied geometry. This is because you cancelled the move, not the paste. In the second case, after cancelling the move, of course you can see the geometry where you pasted it because there isn't an identical piece of geometry in the same spot.

Thanks,