best way to make custom threading in Fusion?

best way to make custom threading in Fusion?

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best way to make custom threading in Fusion?

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Normaly in a NURBS modeler or such I use a profile aling a spiral function and how would you do this in Fusion?

 

my main tricky question is the star and end where the threading flows into the cylinder body.

 

1 profile revolved with a screw distance

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2 modeled solid threading body and sculpted threading start and end

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3 threading added to the bottle botle

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Hi Claas, really good challenge! I found a good way to do this, as seen below.

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So basically, first to get a helical path/curve, I created a Coil with Square Section, in my case happening to choose Inside for the Section Position, meaning that the chosen diameter actually represents the outer diameter of the coil (the coil being located "inside" of that).  So to be able to use the diameter parameter for my later cylinder, I then created a sketch and did Include 3d Geometry of one of the outer edges of the coil.  The coil visibility can then be indefinitely turned off.

 

Next I created two identical profiles, with each having a corner defined by a point that was an Intersect of the helix curve, and the latter being driven by the dimensions of the former.  I chose to have the latter profile located 180 degrees around the helix from the former.  I then did a Model Loft using these two profiles and the helix path as a rail.  As seen in a below test "slicing" sketch, the resulting loft has very good accuracy/consistency.

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There is a slight deviation on the bottom, and if this is for some reason too much, one can simply have the first and second profile closer than 180 degrees (I suppose a two rail sweep would come in handy here), being sure to define both on Construction planes that are either the original XY, YZ, or XZ planes, or a Plane at an Angle that is rotated about either the x, y or z axis.  This will insure resulting profile sketch axises are all parallel.  I first tried using Plane along Path construction planes along the helix, but noted the resulting sketches can have subtle unexpected rotations of their axises, resulting in subtle loft twisting. 

 

Once the section of loft thread is made, it can be copied and pasted repeatedly and the Align or Joint (rigid) command used to quickly bring the thread sections together, the latter accommodating parametric changes to the original coil helix curve (I moved the original thread section into a new component so it could be copied and joints then made between components). 

 

To get your sculpted thread end, I made the first thread section be a loft in the Sculpt environment, which then allows subsequent moving of the loft end inwards. 

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I've attached the .f3d, but of course this is just an example and there are an infinite variety of variations to the specific steps I took. 

 

Let me know if you have any more questions!

 

Jesse

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@Anonymous Oh TS duh sure hahah I am blind sometimes - thats how I build it in Blender.

 

In Rhino I build thhe helix the profile (start + end) for the sweep (Loft in Fusion) and actually had 2 addition profiles for the ends.

The helix end points I scaled inwards and then positioned the end profiles there and then sweep railed everything.

 

Just had an idea to work with the coild because it has a square profile so all you need is bend / cut in the ends and then champfer the resulting edge

and indeed yhis works well. Pretty fast to make end variations.

 

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Any chance of getting a video of how you did this?
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cekuhnen
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Which approach so you mean?

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I was hoping jjurban55 could do a video of what he did but your way seems pretty good too. I'l take a video on either way. I like the way you caped yours.

 

Thanks

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@Davidf01

 

Regarding the solid modeling appraoch:

 

Part 1: modeling: https://drive.google.com/a/ckbrd.de/file/d/0Byzv_NlyKp_2U2RaNU9yb0dCN0U/view?usp=drivesdk

Part 2 : adjustments: https://drive.google.com/a/ckbrd.de/file/d/0Byzv_NlyKp_2NGdEY1hEMEFxOE0/view?usp=drivesdk

 

Enjoy 😉

Claas Kuhnen

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@cekuhnen your files are locked


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@daniel_lyallsorry fixed!

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Hey David, unfortunately I'm a bit of a perfectionist, but not to worry, I will be coming out very soon with a totally new kind of learning content (and open source...it's to go with the Hobbymate machine but anyone can use the learning software) that will very effectively help you get the hang of this kind of stuff.  Stay tuned!

Jesse

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That's a great way to get those thread ends tapered Claas, thanks!

Jesse

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I cant see the first video for some reason. The second video works fine though.

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links are fixed!

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@Anonymous when do we get a update on your machine


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Hey Daniel, thanks for asking about the machine!  I'm planning on giving an update on how a first maker meeting with the machine and pilot software goes at a local library this August 7. 

 

BTW, being you're in New Zealand, do you happen to know anyone (I haven't looked into it yet, but I'd imagine some smaller sized company that is a tools and equipment seller) out that way that could get involved with distribution of the machines out that way?  Initially to Kickstarter backers, but then general sales.  Hopefully there will be a lot of backers out there, and I'm sure it would make sense shipping wise quite quickly to send out one large shipment to a distributor out there.

 

Jesse

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shipping 

yer one that I know is good http://www.mainfreight.com/us/en/us-home.aspx it`s a NZ company that does door to door how ever big it is they are not the cheapest but really good,

in NZ there door to door is $4 extra.

 

and NZPOST has a shipping hub in USA 

 

there is a few places most of them are rip off`s one`s below are not to bad I get most of my stuff from china and USA it cheaper, you can stick them on my website if you wont.

also Amazon would be something you could use 

http://www.makershop.co.nz/index.php?route=common/home

http://www.mindkits.co.nz/store/404.aspx?404%3bhttp%3a%2f%2fmindkits.co.nz%3a80%2fmindkits%2farduino...

 

before you go live post on cnczone saying you came across this machine give some details don't say it`s yours and you should get feed back that will be quite frank and to the point.

 

when little machines come up on cnczone from kickstarter the expert get into it but they give good sound options what`s from expreinces 


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Do you have a website or someplace I can read about your machine? I'm always looking for a CNC machine that wont break the bank.

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Hey David, yeah that's great your looking into this, and what you learn will be useful for the rest of your life.  The paradigm is changing for performance, affordability, and learning curve (or lack thereof) so sign up at hobbymate.net (I think you already did) for updates.  

These are very exciting times indeed 🙂

Jesse

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Hi @Anonymous

 

How did you draw the "Sketch2" which is along coil edge in customthreads file?

I couldn't understand how to draw 3D curve like coil.

Please tell me.

 

Best regards

 

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