Pressure Network Chamber or Manhole

[Boon.Ee.Khaw]

Additional tool should be included in the C3D pressure network is adding chamber/manhole, with customization functionality. Everyone using pressure network tool in C3D having a lot of workaround in creating this and that out of box. This is not ideal solution and maintain it forever, as we heading to fast technology era. Chambers or manholes shall be in the pressure network, and should be dynamic to the surface model. This is because gate valve, Tee, water meter, pressure reducer, etc, they are mostly having chamber to protect these appurtenances or fittings. We do not like the workaround on which we need to re-create the chambers in pipe networks, because it lost the link between the two, ended up, valve in once place and chamber on the other place.

[Leutsky_VA]

Google translated by Community Manager

Good afternoon.

I fully support this idea. Then it will become much easier in every sense.

It would also be great to be able to manipulate parameters by the "interval" type.

Добрый день.

Полностью поддерживаю эту идею. Тогда станет гораздо проще во всех смыслах.

Так же было бы отлично иметь возможность управлять параметры по типу "интервал"

[TimYarris]

On the Autodesk Civil Infrastructure Product Roadmap, you will see we are investigating two things that should satisfy this requirement:

• Pressure Appurtenance Linked to a Gravity Structure
• Pressure Networks: Link a Appurtenance to a Surface

Please feel free to vote for these items on the public roadmap to indicate their importance relative to our other priorities.

[ralstogj]

Hi

I agree that this should be a function of the software. I would go one step further and say that the chamber/ structure objects of gravity networks should be added to pressure networks and the tee, wye, appurtenance, etc objects of pressure networks should be added to gravity networks. These could be just an improvement on null structures graphic representation to start as at the moment to represent these we have to work around adapting styles to shown the different objects rather than inserting a true 3d object into the network and there fore do not get any quantification benefits.

The Runs concept should be added to gravity networks as well but we typical call them branches in gravity networks.

Also it would be good if a group of fittings could be made and added as one operation to save time i.e a tee with three valves for example and even the chamber.

Real world examples of where you would have valve appurtenances on a gravity network are backflows for flooding, hydrobrakes , stormwater treatment devices etc Where you have wyes is in private commercial drainage and lot branches off main lines.

In pressure networks where you typical need a chamber are water meters, backflows and some valves and fire hyrdants in countries where they are below ground typically. Normally there is some maximum and minimum depth requirement below the surface to the fittings for turning them on and off and maintenance.

[Ultimately]

Bump. 

Could really use some functionality like this right now. Has there been any update?

[TimYarris]

Hi everyone,

In the 2024 release, we added the ability to connect a pressure pipe to a gravity structure. Would you please try this out and let me know whether it suits the requirement?

[jwestbrook]

This does not address the original issue where a manhole would be needed within the pressure pipe network for gate valves placed in manholes. This tool in 2024 Civil 3D addresses the scenario of a force main connecting into a gravity sewer network. We really need parts in the pressure pipe network tools for these situations where gate valves, tees, etc need a manhole. This part should have the flexibility to have rim elevation properties and can be set statically or be tied to a surface. 

[ralstogj]

Yep pretty much nothing has improved in this space. Embarrassingly we are still using Civil3d while 12d in Australia and New Zealand gets better and better. Sad to say but ultimately we will most likely end up dropping Civil3d as can not complete with the speed and quality of design and documentation produced from other packages. Attached is an example of a plan from 12d all modelled of course, Civil3d would not even get close. You would have to go to Plant3d or Revit and that is too any extra steps, too much extra learning, complexity and slow. Easier to just change civil package.