Australian Drainage Design in Civil 3D

[tfitzhardinge]

Hi

One of the biggest hurdles why many Australian engineering companies stay with using 12d over civil 3D as their preferred civil engineering modelling package is the limited hydraulic analysis and functionality of civil 3D. Storm and Sanitary analysis is not applicable to Australian hydraulic analysis and practice.

12d has unsteady flow drainage modules and 2D drainage modules that complies with Australian Standards and Australian guidelines. I know there is a new 2D hydraulic engine/model package that can be used in Infraworks and I think this could be promising for use in Australia (further down the track).

As the very first step for civil 3D to improve its drainage functionality is to have a Drains (by watercom) import/export functionality. This was the first step that 12d used when developing its drainage analysis functionality for use in Australia. Drains is one of the most popular and accepted hydraulic package in Australia. This should be a very quick and easy task autodesk to add into the next update for civil 3D.

Let me know if you want me to expand or explain any of the above in more detail.

Thanks

[Anonymous]

Seconded!

[Anonymous]

AutoDesk has always promised to provide Australiasian support (since softdesk civil and Land Development era). I highly doubt that they will. 

[Anonymous]

Why have Autodesk still not solved this major issue?

[Anonymous]

I second this as well. But autodesk does not care much about Australian market. Such a shame.

[jecusi]

This needs to be added to civil 3d.

[Jose_fernandez]

Any news if this import/export tool is yet available?

[andrew_milford]

Hi all,

There are plans to introduce a new version of the Civil 3D - Drains Exchange to the Civil Infrastructure Futures portal shortly, supporting Civil 3D 2022/2023.

Additionally, with the introduction of InfoDrainage into the Autodesk portfolio, we now have a native drainage solution suitable for the ANZ market.

[k_jenkins]

@andrew_milford 
Is there any update on the Civil 3D - Drains Exchange mentioned on the above?

[AHib]

Just bumping this.  

I assume that since AutoDesk has a standalone competing product (why isn't this part of AEC collection?????), the chances of an import/export for Drains being made available is basically zero?

[tfitzhardinge]

AHib, thank you for your contribution to this ideas trail. Like Andrew Milford (Autodesk) stated, Autodesk did develop a DRAINS import export extension. The last supporting version is C3D 2023. A source in Autodesk has indicated that no further development is going to take place at this stage on the extension. Obviously priority is taken to InfoDRAINAGE and the data connection between this and C3D.

[TimYarris]

Hi everyone,

I'm happy to report we are working on connecting Civil 3D to the AUS analysis methods (and other, global methods) that are available in InfoDrainage -- without the need to purchase InfoDrainage. 

Stay tuned.

[AHib]

That would be fantastic.  I Look forward to testing it.

[gros33]

@k_jenkins 

@andrew_milford 
Is there any update on the Civil 3D - Drains Exchange mentioned on the above?

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two years on, tumbleweeds 😂

[AHib]

This is probably the wrong spot to post this, but who created the pipe sizes in the ANZ country kit?

The "Humes" RRJ pipes seem to be giving the Socket Dimensions for the pipe not the actual pipe outside dimension. Was this intentional?

[AHib]

Any updates you could share Tim Yarris?

[info2FCCZ]

Hi @TimYarris, is the AUS analysis methods connection something we can expect to see in a future Civil 3D 2025 update?

[TimYarris]

@info2FCCZ , making AUS and other global analysis methods available to analysis run in Civil 3D is something we are actively working on. I can't share a timeline just yet, but it is in work.

[mwLZUTR]

The Windes toolkit for the UK is the way to go to establish interpolability with Drains in my opinion.

[mwLZUTR]

@AHib pipe sizes in the ANZ country kit. I believe it was Jowenn Lua. 

https://www.autodesk.com/autodesk-university/ja/profile/l%2BzEph%2BcpLoykATVbVlwug%3D%3D