Unable to insert a pressure pipe network appurtenance or fitting

[demus72]

Pick the pressure pipe, right click and select edit pressure network. From the ribbon on the insert panel, select the appropriate size appurtenance or fitting, click add, pick the point along the pressure pipe to insert, but, when I pick the insertion point, nothing is added. I see the double glyph indicating it is attaching but the fitting I am attempting to insert fails to be inserted.

[chriscowgill7373]

Can you please provide the drawing?  Are you using out of the box catalogs?

[sarahkcarver]

I am having the same problem.. any luck fixing it?

[demus72]

My work around:

1. Draw a new, temporary pipe off to the side.

2. Insert the appurtenance by attaching it to the new pipe. 

3. Disconnect the appurtenance from the temporary pipe. 

4. Break the actual pipe at the exact location the appurtenance needs to go.

5. Identify the design elevation at the centerline of one of those pipes.

6. Move the appurtenance at it's insertion point to the center of the two pipes at the break location and then edit it's properties to adjust the elevation.

7. Verify that the new appurtenance is referencing the correct pipe run/alignment and surface.

8. Grip edit the two pipes to connect to the appurtenance.

Hope that helps.

[wwickward]

I am working with several pipe runs and have them all created.  Now I have been going back to install the correct fittings and appurtenances. However, some parts are entered without a problem but others will not place the part at all.  Very frustrating to say the least.  I have never had this much trouble creating pressure networks.  I can be working on the same pipe run and install a gate valve without a problem but the next one I try to install on the same pipe run will give me the glyphs but not the appurtenances.

[Cadguru42]

Turn off OSNAPs when doing the insert. I have a feeling it's trying to snap somewhere else to insert it.

[demus72]

I'm not certain, but I'm also wondering if creating separate pipe runs with different parts lists or having multiple parts lists that have been created from multiple catalogs will prevent the software's ability to insert appurtenances and fittings between those pipe runs? I believe that may have been my issue but I haven't confirmed this to be true.

[wwickward]

I am working on the same run and can insert a fitting or appurtenance in
one spot but the next one on the same run will not accept the part I am
trying to insert. The Glyph comes on like it should but the run will not
accept the next fitting or appurtenance I try to install. Frustrating.

[RobertEVs]

After making the placement check your list of parts in your prospector Pressure network to see if it shows there. If so select it and right>click zoom to. If it zooms to where you think you placed it and a grip appears right click and swap the part to see if anything shows up. Lastly I have found a save>close and restart of C3D typically fixes issues like this

[Mark-O-O]

I have exactly the same problem in C3D 2023 with no work around.  Seems like I will have to scrap the entire system and start over. Very frustrating.

[Mark-O-O]

I deleted all the pipe runs from the drawing and presto...it worked

[Joe_Voss8GTGN]

I was having the same issue. I need either all networks to be pipe runs, or none of them. Appears you cannot "mix" systems in 2024.

[Condulle]

Has anyone found a solution to this yet?

[chriscowgill7373]

The only time I came across this, somehow I had the profile version of the ribbon current and was trying to add the Appurtenance instead of the plan version of the ribbon.  Once I switched ribbons it worked fine.

[Cadguru42]

Pipe runs are not really ready for production use. They are buggy as heck, as you've seen, and cannot even do a vertical bend. They're not worth the hassle to use over the "old" method of parts layout. 

[RobertEVs]

I have to disagree with your comment Guru42. I have watched and studied many videos on Pipe Runs. I think I have a solid confidence on using them now. At least they seem to be working as designed. Biggest benefit is when I have a surface elevation change, I no longer need to manually adjust any fittings or pipe elevations as all I have to do is update only in the pipe run profile settings. Adding branch fittings or crossings could not be easier. Never need to compass P,P,P any vertical fitting in isometric view anymore. As for needing true vertical bends watch this

[Mark-O-O]

I work on a lot of intricate industrial facilities that have significant underground utilities and require a lot of avoidance.  I have found the pipe runs to be problem and I always end up breaking the pipe run association so that I can edit the pipes adequately.

[RobertEVs]

I get that. My water utility need is far less avoidance requirements other than some San and Storm crossings which a quick profile override will correct. Some projects have more some not so many. Can you give me a specific when you say "found them to be a problem"

[Mark-O-O]

Unable to add parts for sure. Also adjustment to obtain vertical separation, since the pipe run wants to take control of how its done. 

[RobertEVs]

Wouldn't it be great when making runs that C3D knew it was crossing another network and simply asked for a depth. How about it coders? I dare you to write that