Toolspace Points / Point Groups browse windows

[camptech]

Civil3D 2018.1 Update 1.2

Whenever I click on Points  (Toolspace > Prospector > [Drawing name] > Points  --OR-- any point group,  the BROWSE WINDOW (or whatever you call it -- the dialogue directly underneath the Toolspace Prospector / Settings / Survey dialogue)  **ALWAYS** displays the points with the horizontal scroll bar centered on the displayed data -- NEVER at the far left of the information.  So I **ALWAYS** have to horizontally to the far left, then up or down to the find the last point or points which had interested me.  I may have to do this tens of times a day, maybe more, and each time it takes me 3-10 seconds to find the **** points that I was last looking at.

Is there a setting or some Civil3D variable that I can set or tweak so that the point display dialogue is ALREADY scrolled all the way to the left???

Under Toolspace > Settings... if I click on Point > Point Styles, --OR-- Point > Label Styles, the same dialogue area of the screen has a horizontal scroll bar, but it is ALWAYS to the far left, where a normal human being would expect to start looking at the information.

Whiskey Tango, Foxtrot, Autode$k... over?

[AlmasSuljevic]

I believe the feature you were referring is called "List View".  More about List View can be found here and here. Please check it and see if you can play with settings there.

You may try right-clicking on the title of the table and choose "Reset columns". Not sure if that would work, but it's worth trying. I guess, I can't get to that state where (by default)  it scrolls to the right on my machine.  

Edit: I suppose, a good old "CTRL+Home" and "CTRL+End" may be handy here.

I hope it helps.

[AllenJessup]

Reading the links provided by @AlmasSuljevic gave me an idea. Try undocking the Toolspace (if docked) and use  the

button to flip the layout and then again to set it back. See if that resets anything.

[Pointdump]

Hi Allen,
Tried your idea just now. Sadly, no, doesn't change anything. As long as I have been using Civil 3D (Since 2010) this peculiarity of List View has annoyed me.
But I thank you Allen, because I never noticed that Flip Layout Button before.
Dave

[Pointdump]

Not a great solution, but right-click the header in List View and un-check everything un-needed. Seems to stay that way from drawing to drawing, and even exiting the program and re-starting.

Dave

[AllenJessup]

Hi Dave,

That may be the reason I've never noticed it. I unchecked a lot of columns years ago and it seems to stick through versions. Or maybe it's so automatic I don't remember doing it lately. I tried to duplicate the problem by turning them all on but didn't see any difference. That may be because I opened the drawing with only a few columns showing.

I technically knew about the flip layout button. But since I don't use it. It didn't come to mind until I read the KN article.

[ChicagoLooper]

You can easily display your points using the PANORAMA. On Prospector tab, right click an individual Point Group or All Points. Then from the shortcut menu, select Edit Points. See image -1.

Image-1

The Panorama will appear. This palette has characteristics like any other palette, e.g. move, dock, size, auto-hide, etc. You can even move it to a secondary monitor. When you right click a heading in the top row you can select which columns to display or hide. You can even perform edits in an individual Panorama cell. 

Image-2

[camptech]

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@ChicagoLooper wrote:

You can easily display your points using the PANORAMA. On Prospector tab, right click an individual Point Group or All Points. Then from the shortcut menu, select Edit Points. See image -1.

The Panorama will appear. This palette has characteristics like any other palette, e.g. move, dock, size, auto-hide, etc. You can even move it to a secondary monitor. When you right click a heading in the top row you can select which columns to display or hide. You can even perform edits in an individual Panorama cell. 

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Just what I need... another graphical element cluttering up my screen / workspace.  I am familiar with the Panorama, but do not need to be waiting for the second or two or three for it to open.  Invariably it will need to be moved on the desktop.  I am guessing you are not a field guy.  I do not always have the luxury of a 2nd monitor, and certainly am not able to easily set one up in my truck cab, let alone haul one around with me.  So, sorry, the Panorama is a non-starter for my purposes.  I'll tuck the suggestion in the back of my head, but I do not see it as a solution.

And there is at least one tool or function that, if memory serves, uses the Panorama and it is gawdawful slow... seemingly having to refresh the entire window every time you scroll one row.  So don't get me started on the Panorama.

Maybe your suggestion might help someone else out, who comes strolling through this thread.  But not me.

[camptech]

I see that @Pointdump has observed (and endured) the odd horizontal scrolling behavior I described.  So at least I'm not crazy (yet).

I have been busy the past two days and have not had a chance to read the two links posted in the 1st reply, nor to tinker with any settings.

HOWEVER, I have noticed today that in several drawings, the odd horizontal scrolling (Hey!  Let's refresh a Point or PointGroup Listview window with the horizontal scrollbar far away from the leftmost side.  I'm sure my human user will appreciate that!) is not present, and yet it is.  In several drawings I have opened today, when I click on TOOLSPACE > Prospector > Points  --OR-- a PointGroupName, the Listview is displayed with the horizontal scrollbar *ALMOST* all the way to the left, but not quite.  It is just a few characters or pixels from the far left.  When I noticed this, I thought that perhaps there was a setting that was being saved somewhere with a drawing, and that perhaps I had fubar'd my template drawing, as the drawing in which I noticed the *almost correct* UI behavior was from a client.  So I started opening other drawings I had been using these past few days... and have so far been unable to duplicate the issue.

So in summary, I have not consciously made any UI changes or settings tweaks, and yet the UI behavior appears different today.  Strange, and frustrating.

I will update this thread as I learn / observe more.

[camptech]

I just tried the RightClick-on-a-Listview-Heading-Column > Reset... and it *may* have done something.  The latest behavior I had observed this evening, as described above, was that the Horizontal Scrollbar was not all the way to the left, but nearly so, maybe half a character from the far left.  So the change was so small, it leaves me wondering if something changed... BUT resetting the Listview display by RtClock-on-column-heading > Reset is something someone reading through this thread should at least try.

Having said that... I vaguely recall today tweaking a Listview column display by widening the column slightly so that I could observe all the digits in a Colorado State Plane Northing and Easting Coordinates.  This is far from definitive... but it might be that adjusting a column width, or taking some action that forces the widget controlling the Listview to update itself... resolves this odd I'm-not-going-to-start-the-Listview-display-with-the-horizontal-scroll-control-at-the-far-left behavior.  Any now my memory whispers that before I tweaked that Listview column width... I had been experiencing that PITA annoying behavior... but since having tweaked the column width, I have not.  C'est la vie, C'est la guerre, C'est la C3D.

[camptech]

As a followup to this PITA scrollbar behavior, I have the following question:

Is there any tweak, or setting, or system variable that will make a Listview display "sticky"?

What I mean by "sticky" is that after leaving one Listview, say of one Point Group, going to some other menu in Prospector or Settings etc, and upon returning to that particular Listview of the same Point Group... the Listview would return to the last "view" you had of it.    For example, I am often times tracking down points, checking elevations, or point code descriptions (what was that RAW point code again?).  Often a PointGroup has tens of points or more in it, and some scrolling is required to find the point of interest.  It sure would be handy if Listview would remember where I left off, and return to the same view.  Or even a button to "make the current view sticky", or a HotKey or something.

Is there such a setting or tweak or "stickiness" to Listvies?

[rl_jackson]

What is your end goal of looking at the points. Would just doing a zoom to point transparent command work for you? I hardly ever look at the points. But I also only use the survey database and my drawing and database my be on two different systems. But I also have all the linework and point blocks set up, and if some linework that isn't set comes in it goes to a default figure layer that has a color instantly recognized so I can add it to the figure list a d designate a layer for it to reside on. 

[ChicagoLooper]

Try this:

1. Click All Points
2. In the List view, move the slider to maximum left so it's beneath Point Number column. (This establishes the slider's home position.)
3. Click the heading Point Number so the number order displays as descending, then click again so it changes to ascending. (Don't move the slider during this step, leave it at max left.)
4. Get out of All Points and switch to another Point Group. Is the slider beneath Point Number column? If not, then refresh the group.
5.  While still in the same point group, move slider to opposite side, to maximum right. Up above in Prospector, right click this point group and refresh. What happens to the slider?

Notes:

To establish the slider's 'home' position, C3D considers the slider's current position to be home when you perform a sort by operation. If the slider is moved to the extreme RIGHT, i.e. to perform a sort by in the full description column, then the home position becomes right. If slider is positioned in the MIDDLE to sort by elevation, then home becomes middle. 

[lynn_zhang]

Hello @camptech 

Just checking if you have tried the suggestions above and did they work? Let us know if you still need help.