Pressure Pipes: When adjusting/shifting gate valves, all my pipe run shifts.

[ivillalobosWJ6R5]

Hi! I hope someone can help me.

I'm currently working in a project where I have 8 different pipe runs in the same network. 6 of them are connected to at least one other.

I am facing an issue where every single time I try to adjust a gate valve's position, it ruins everything else. All my other gate valves shift as well, both horizontally and vertically. My slopes change a bit too. It is making me lose so much time trying to adjust it back.

The way I am currently working around it is by deleting the gate vale I want to modify, and replacing it exactly where I needed it to be moved. This way, the pipe run design doesn't change at all.

I currently have these sizes: 12" ,  16" , 24" , 30" , 36". I notice that the higher the diameter, the more the design gets ruined.

I'll attach screenshots of before moving a gate valve and the aftermath.

Thanks in advance!!!:)

I'll move this one, on plan view. (Before)

After I moved it. 
At every spot where I had a gate valve, it shifted.
The bottom screenshot shows a different gate valve past the one I moved. What you see there, happens to every single one.

[RobertEVs]

Let me see if I understand this. You move a gate valve, and it shifts incorrect in the profile view? If that's the case there are three grips on an appurtenance. When you select the square grip and slide/move the GV it holds elevation but not pipe slope. When you select the diamond grips to move the GV it will slide along the pipe, hold slope AND change elevation.

 

HTH

[RobertEVs]

Re-read your OP. You move one single Gate valve and it shifts every single GV in that pipe run? That's a new one on me and have no idea why it would ever do that. You are double selecting the GV to get out of pipe-run alignment mode right?

[ivillalobosWJ6R5]

Correct! I am double selecting my gate valve in order to be able to shift it horizontally.
Like this:

In my case, I don't get that diamond grip when working with pipe runs. I do understand how the grips work.

Whenever I shift it, let's say to the right side, on the profile view, it does it correctly. It obviously changes the slopes on both ends of the pipes, normal. The issue is that it modifies almost every single PVI in the design, even when not around other gate valves. When there are gate valves, it messes up the design even more.

Looking something like this:

The dashed orange line is where it used to be. That is how I am keeping track of my design since I haven't found a way to fix this issue.

Just for extra information, everything remains on the same alignment path. Nothing moves out of it.

This issue is also new to me. I've done quite a few designs in the past and never had this issue until I got C3D 24 I believe. I must have something on my settings wrong.

[RobertEVs]

What type of gate valve is that? Is it from the out-of-the-box catalog? Also what if you went ahead and let the vertical adjust then just re-run your pipe profile command and update?

[ivillalobosWJ6R5]

It is one from within AutoCAD, a vertical gate valve. I didn't catch that part. How do you re-run the pipe profile command?

Thanks for your time helping out

[RobertEVs]

Select your pipe-run alignment then on the contextual tab select Pipe Run Profile. Make sure update only is checked and click OK. Just make sure your reference profile is the correct one.

 

[ivillalobosWJ6R5]

Ohhh yes I see. If I do that, it would do an offset of my EG, which is not so great, messing with my entire design, including sections where I'm avoiding conflicts with exitsing lines

[RobertEVs]

That's where the overrides come in on the other tab. Not sure if once you update they get deleted? 

[RobertEVs]

But here is what I would try. Once you get your profile layout of PP network correct copy that profile and give it a new name. use THAT profile as a reference and do an update. A lot of work-around I get it but no idea why your valves are adjusting like they are. Perhaps swap them then move and swap them back??