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Pressure Pipe - Pipe Run Issues, pipe runs delete themselves, fatal error when creating sheets, pipe run alignments - Civil 3D Autocad 2021

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Message 1 of 21
haskins
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Pressure Pipe - Pipe Run Issues, pipe runs delete themselves, fatal error when creating sheets, pipe run alignments - Civil 3D Autocad 2021

I have recently upgraded to Civil 3D 2021, and the Pipe Runs function in the Pressure Pipe Network is giving me a fit. It is quite possibly the most buggy feature I have seen Autocad release...unless I am doing something totally wrong. Our firm primarily focuses on water & sewer infrastructure; therefore, pressure pipe networks are a very large part of our workflow. Issues:

  1. Pipe Runs keep disappearing or deleting themselves. Once we have created the pipe runs and generated the profiles, something happens and with no warning your pipe run is gone. It leaves the parts and the profiles and the alignment it created, but it deletes the branch tee fittings and is no longer an active pipe run. You can re-create the pipe run from existing parts, but they all must be connected, then it creates another alignment, and the profile you generated is not tied to the pipe run you had to re-create. You then have to generate a new profile for it to be tied to the pipe run you just re-created losing all your profile work. All the edits made to the network at utility crossings and hydrants gets deleted.
  2. Autocad 2021 Fatal Errors when you Create Plan & Profile Sheets to a new drawing file. It will generate them to the same drawing you are in, but that is useless in most workflow situations for plan & profile generation. I have tried everything. The only thing that works is if you create the sheets using an older version, I used Civil 3D Autocad 2018. You have to open the base file in 2018, create the sheets, open and save the new sheets in 2018. Then you can open in 2021 and label; however, if you make ANY edits to the pressure pipe network (i.e. slide a fitting) in your base file, save, then try and open a plan/profile sheet in 2021, it Fatal Errors. You have to then open & save the sheet in 2018, then you can re-open in 2021. This is unacceptable and really slowing us down. 
  3. Pipe Run alignments?? I can't figure this out. We normally draw out the design in 2d lines, create a center-line alignment over the proposed line, then make the network. When you create a pipe run it makes a new alignment, but it also asks you for a reference alignment in the dialogue box when creating. At first I thought maybe we no longer need to make an alignment b/c it will do it for me and I can just re-name it and keep moving. Well you can select this alignment for the parts to reference. I tried picking none and the parts just didn't take on a reference alignment. So we have kept our center-line alignments, but then you get stuck with a bunch of alignments. And when you generate the profiles via the pipe runs, you can use the center-line alignment. We use the center-line alignments in our label styles. This just becomes totally messy, especially when the pipe runs delete themselves and you have to recreate and it keeps making alignments. 

Can someone please help me resolve items 1 & 2 and offer some advice on how to use correctly for item #3? I am to the point where I just want to go back to doing manually, I would have my drawings done already.

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Message 2 of 21
jmayo-EE
in reply to: haskins

I would start a support case to make sure that Autodesk is aware of these issues. Posting here does not guarantee that.

John Mayo

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Message 3 of 21
aquesenberryE7KM2
in reply to: haskins

Also having these exact issues the first go at trying to use pressure pipes in 2021.

Message 4 of 21

Same issue here.

Pressure Pipe runs are very unstable. Pipe runs alignments out of nowhere are somehow disconnected from the pipes, and from the profile as well.

Lots of fatal errors and crashes.

Message 5 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: haskins

This is also happening here. VERY FRUSTRATING!!!

Message 6 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: haskins

This has been logged as a defect with Autodesk development. 

 

Message 7 of 21
wfberry
in reply to: Anonymous

This has been logged as a defect with Autodesk development.

 

Does THIS refer to Pressure Pipes period!

 

Bill

 

Message 8 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: haskins

This is still happening and is very annoying. Work so many hours placing a pipe run modify all the elevations and then one day you re open the .dwg and its gone...

Message 9 of 21
DSB-Eng
in reply to: haskins

Hello, having the same issues and stumbled on this thread, Any updates or solution for this problem? Thanks in advance!

 

Message 10 of 21
gavan_duffy
in reply to: haskins

Pipe Runs disappearing all over the place. I just gave up on it. Its really so frustrating that Autodesk release such defective functionality.

Message 11 of 21
cyoungVTYTM
in reply to: haskins

Pipe run disappears

We ran into this (using C3D 2021) and figured out it had to do with the deflection angle between 2 pipes. If it was outside of the set "Allowable Deflection" degrees from the parts list it would break the pipe run upon reopening the dwg. This is the error we got when opening the dwg: ''Unsupported geometry changes would break the consistency of pipe run ("Pipe Run -(##'))), so the pipe run was detached from the path."

 

We now run a design check after doing a pipe run to see where any issues with pipe deflections are, fix them and so far seems to keep our pipe runs working.

Message 12 of 21

@cyoungVTYTM Do this work on Civil 3D 2021 and 2022 versions too? No more issues with pipe runs?

Message 13 of 21
KarlHanson
in reply to: haskins

This is still happening. Very frustrating. 

Message 14 of 21
cyoungVTYTM
in reply to: KarlHanson

@KarlHanson We just went to a 'best practice" of using design profiles for pressure pipe runs and that has helped cut down on the number of deflections that need fixed so we don't loose the "pipe runs". 

 

@Tiago.CaldeiraPZ4FE  This is also an issue with 2022. 

Message 15 of 21
schambers
in reply to: haskins

Same issues here in 2023. Complex pressure pipe network with multiple runs. Now one is missing its' alignment. The alignment shows in prospector, alignment labels show on screen but the alignment is not visible. The pipe run is now disconnected.
Message 16 of 21
oriole_phillips
in reply to: haskins

Also, happening for me!!
Message 17 of 21
EBDBC3D
in reply to: oriole_phillips

This has happened on some of our jobs. We've abandoned pressure networks, the potential time savings is not worth the headache  to the designers.

Message 18 of 21

Does anyone know if the 'pipe runs deleting themselves' issue has been fixed in Civil 3D 2024? 

Message 19 of 21

I am not sure on 24 as we are still putting the deployment together. 

 

I do know that in the later updates for 2022 (I assume would be included in 2023 and 24) that they fixed it so it didn't break as often and added a "Re-Link Pipe Run" tool that made it really easy to fix it if it did break. 

Message 20 of 21

I downloaded 2023 in hopes it would address the issue. Pressure networks are still as glitchy as ever. For smaller networks they work OK but for things like for a major water treatment plant's yard piping they are horrible. Pipe runs will automatically delete if they are too large / complex. 

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