Getting a 36x24 sheet to an 11x17 to scale without multiple layouts...

[Anonymous]

Hello fellow Cad users,

I usually use the forum for a last resort and try to figure it out on my own but I have an issue that I can't find online where there was a clear answer.  I have a project manager/ PE that was a microstation, and I have 5 Months of civil 3d 2014 use under my belt, I know alot of the basics and can work my way around.  Here is the issue... He likes to have full size 24x36 drawings to mark up and use them for his viewing (to scale) but we want to send out 11x17 drawings to scale.  I have not found a quick way to do this.  I thought you had to make a separate layout tab and have an 11x17 and re-scale it and all but he thought there was a way to have the same 24x36 but just made into an 11x17.... is this possible?  There are profiles involved so I'd prob have to have two drawings so the scale in  the profile would be correct too.  Please help!

Thanks in advance!

-Jon

autocad Civil 3d 2014

[Neilw_05]

You can do it with one layout. Either set up an 11x17 layout and plot it double size or create a 24x36 layout and plot it half size. You need to have larger margins on the 24 x36 layout to compensate for the 11x17 size when plotted at 1/2 scale.

[rkmcswain]

We create full size layouts (ANSI D or ARCH D) and then just print those plot files 1/2 size when needed. No extra layouts in the DWG file or anything like that.

[Anonymous]

I thought a half size of a 36x24 is a 18x12 to get to a scale. 

[Neilw_05]

The page size and margins will dictate how it plots. You can set up the margins for a 34x22 sheet and plot it to 24x36 or 11x17.

[Anonymous]

Ok so have a layout that is set for arch D paper.  Then set the margin for a 34x22 and make sure my title block fits within that border?  how do i set the margin?  And if i do that, I'll have alot of waste around the border right?  Thanks, Hope i'm not frustrating anyone I appreciate the help

[AllenJessup]

I often set up a Layout for each (actually in different drawings) but we base our work on 11X17 because that is the most often plotted and distributed. I don't like the large margins when you double the 11X17 but that would be fine for markup

Allen

[Neilw_05]

We are stuck with large margins because 24x36 sheets are submittal requirements by several agencies. So for our workflow, sheets are designed for 24x36 full scale plotting and we plot to non-scale 11x17 for reviews and markups

[Anonymous]

Ok.. I figured I'd have that border now but we want both to be to scale. the 11x17 would obviously be double scale. I guess there is no easy answer to this. to get both sheets to scale would the best way be to have two layouts still. Confusing subject!

[Anonymous]

Change printer to DWF to PDF.pc3; Change paper size to (full bleed 36 x 24)

Print to PDF

Open PDF in Acrobat Crop image as needed; Then use Scale to media option to print on 17 x 11 media

Jim

Matrix3DSurveys

[Neilw_05]

Simple math shows you that you cannot fit a 24x36 sheet on an 11x17 sheet at half scale. The suggestions here are the only options aside from making new layouts.

[AllenJessup]

The New York State DOT use to issue 46% (Half Size) plans. Making a 20 scale a 43.5± scale. They even issued cheap scales made for the plans so you could still scale off them. Those were the days!

Allen

[Anonymous]

There is 12x18 paper on the market if you have a printer that will handle it. I found it a couple years ago when a client demanded true 24x36 record drawings (on mylar no less). We typically use 11x17 / 22x34 in my office though.

[Neilw_05]

I think the reason for 11x17 sheets is because they are standard size for copiers. Thus plan sets can easily be replicated. 12x18 won't fly for that.

[Kundertk]

This is why my company's title block is 22x34 instead of 24x36.

[rkmcswain]

To clarify my earlier response, we have an application that we use to 'submit' plot files (PLT, DWF, PDF, etc) to our printer. It will easily scale down D size plot files to 11x17 or 12x18 (depending on the source file) for nice half-sized sets.

So our layouts are always full size D or E and therefore so are the plot files. Then we print those to whatever size is needed. Sometimes we DO print ARCH D to 11x17, for reports where they get folded to 8-1/2x11.  But for the most part, we use ANSI D so the 11x17 are true half sized.

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

Thanks everyone for giving me your input. Since we do not submit any ARCH D sheets and only were using them for a few people that can't see on an 11x17 I decided I think the best way is to either create them on a ANSI D and scale down or use an 11x17 layout and scale up. The engineer I work with worked with the DOT and used Microstation. I guess the way they produced plans in microstation they were able to do it. I know nothing about Microstation.

[AllenJessup]

I believe it's better to work at the size you're going to publish the majority of your plans at. Work in 11 X 17 layouts and plot a fit to ANSI D or plot to a PDF at 11 X 17 and plot the pdf to fit on ANSI D.

Allen

[annw2]

Both the 24" X 36 " and the 22" X 34" are standard sheet sizes.

12" x18" and 11" X 17" are also standard sizes, though I haven't seen the 12" X 18" in years (Except for state DOT's)

CT DOT traffic signal designs always had to be 22" X 34" so they would fold up into standard 8.5" X 11" file cabinets while the rest of the set was 24" X 36".

We have rolled paper in both 36" & 34" widths.

Most agencies that accept 24" X 36" will also accept 22" X 34"

[Cadguru42]

We just switched from 36" x 24" to 34" x 22" to better match our state DOT a few months ago. The best part is that we can make true half size sets on a copier when needed.