CREATING LINE AND CURVE TABLES

[ESchomberg]

Hi friends, don't know if anyone wants to go down this rabbit hole but basically cad does my line table linearly as far as the record vs measured data for each line. I have it set up as L1 then to the right is the measured bearing and distance, then to the right of that is the record bearing and distance in parenthesis.

My client wants them stacked on top of one another so that it reads L1 = (measured) bearing and distance

and directly below it (L1)=(record) bearing and distance....then below that L2=(measured) bearing and distance, below that (L2)=(record) bearing and distance.

I end up exploding the table, moving all the text outside of the table, rebuilding the table to be stacked vertically then returning all the text back into the table one by one. Quite time consuming so trying to go into settings and figure out if this is possible. any help is great.

For some reason my print screen is reading all 3 of my monitors.

[IanMcClain]

You could make a table style code each row to use a reduntant Bearing/Distance stacked within each column with the parentheses around one set or the other. I wouldn't have the line between each M and R record, but that may be acceptable, something like:

______________________________

|                     |  Bearing   | Distance    |

| Segment#  |                   |                    |

|                      |(Bearing) | (Distance) |

______________________________

[Pointdump]

Erik,

I don't know much about tables, but I can help with the Screen Shots. Most folks use the Snipping Tool, but I found a better way. After hitting the "PrtSc" Button on your keyboard, open up Windows Paint, which comes with every version of Windows. Use Ctrl V to Paste the Screen Shot. Then Crop and add Arrows, Lines, Rectangles, etc...

Dave

[Jowennl · Accepted solution]

Hi @ESchomberg,

I agree with @IanMcClain, just edit the style. See attached animated gif and sample dwg below as a guide.

Animated Gif - Edit Style Same concept as this

Cheers,

Jowenn

[ESchomberg]

I am really sorry about the delayed replies, dealing with repairs from hurricane Michael not leaving me much free time.

I have not been able to play with this yet however I think it may be impossible(not sure yet) due to software differences-me using civil3d and he using Carlson- limits some of my functions. I may have to go into my regular civil3d template to prove/disapprove this.

I do have a related question that may have an immediate answer. When I create a table there is no way for me to edit the record data (within the table) without exploding the table. I left click on the line, then right click and there is no option for text edit.

My friend that I am drawing for (using Carlson) however made the comment that I always explode my tables. I explained that I explode it because I cannot edit the data without exploding the table. His reply was "I can". He said it must be the way I have my settings set up. I have never changed any settings that I know of to prevent me from editing the text within a table without exploding it.

That would tell me that A) I just simply do not know how to do it. B) Carlson software has some functions that civil3d does not. C) There is a setting that would allow me to edit my tables.

Any help with this second question would help me tremendously. I tend to explode most things in my drawing for similar reasons. Such as:

1) The line or curve label. If I don't explode them and have to trim a line or curve it changes the data within the table.

2) The dimensions. Sometimes I need to move or rotate an arrow or move the dimension text and I can't do that without exploding them.

3) The multileaders. I can't edit the multileder text without exploding it.

4) Bearings and distances. I can't edit them without exploding them.

So basically I end up exploding just about everything in my drawing.

[Jeff_M]

Erik,

I believe Carlson just uses plain AutoCAD tables which are easily editable. C3D tables are not editable, although I wish they were.

As to your other exploding questions:

1. The table is SUPPOSED to update when a line or arc is edited. Why do you wan the table to not reflect what the linework represents?

2. Rotate a dimension arrow? I don't recall ever needing to do that, but yes, it would need to be exploded for this. The text, on the other hand, should be able to be grip edited to a new location.

3. Double clicking on an Mleader should allow you to edit the text, no exploding needed.

4. Select a line/curve label, rt. click, one of the options is to Edit Label Text. You will be asked to select a text component, once you do the edit window will appear where you can overwrite the style's text for that label only.

So explode should rarely be needed.

[ESchomberg]

Thank you for your input sir.

The reason I explode my dimensions is because I draw a lot of small surveys with a lot of improvements crammed on them and everything gets in the way of everything else. I therefore have to make adjustments like rotating one arrow 180° so that they are both pointing the same way. Also if a fence is right on the boundary line I will have to move the fence otherwise the fence wont even show up on the drawing, it will be covered up by the thick boundary line. If I don't explode the dimension, the dimension value will change as I move the fence.

As far as exploding the line/curve labels; when I insert a symbol marking the property corner, I have to trim the line so it will not be inside the property corner symbol. When I do this (if I don't explode it) it will change the value of the line length. Another example is having a metes and bounds survey with 30 calls back to the P.O.C. I have to shorten these lines up and show them as broken lines or the survey wont fit on the paper. If I don't explode the labels the same thing will happen when I have to shorten the lines. But I have to explode the table before I explode the label or all information will disappear from the table. However sense I have to explode the table anyway in order to edit the text in the table I pretty much end up with my whole drawing being exploded.

[rl_jackson]

Erik,

Your over thinking this (or I am) I've attached a block for your set or found iron rod that will mask the line instead of you making the mistake of mis-labeling something, I have not broken a boundary line in 20+years and feel its the biggest mistake in the land surveying field when it comes to cad.

For the breaklines/long distances from the POC to the POB (I live in FL so I know all about it) in cad I never break those either (not in model space anyway). I create multiple viewports to accomplish the goal. EVERYTHING is at TRUE length and bearing in model space and I use a simple polyline in Paperspace between the various viewports to create my "breakline".

On the Measured vs. Record issue -  there really isn't a simple solution and I doubt there ever will be (Is what it is). If I intend to deviate from record on a survey I generally establish my boundary and create my table. I then explode the table and add the discrepancy (record info) to the table. I do this to line and curve labels as well sometime by just adding simple text. Usually what I do is create the record stuff to the side, label it, explode it to dumb text and move it to my stuff. Is it practically or efficient... Prolly not or maybe so..... Does it get the job out the door.... YES

Edit: Oops I forgot about the fence..... Just throw a piece of text in the drawing saying the fence is x.xx within or over the property line, I never explode dimensions either

[Jeff_M]

I don't explode tables, I have a table style with the columns for the record information as empty cells. I then use plain Mtext to fill in the record data after the table is created. I think that you could do essentially the same thing to keep them in the same column, just include the blank line below the direction/distance entries for the label.

[ESchomberg]

Thank you sir....you guys are the best

[ESchomberg]

Sir thank you for taking the time to show me that. Most excellent!

[ESchomberg]

I hope this does not sound like a dumb question. When you have your empty cell like that do you just double click or single click within the empty cell to add your text? And what do you mean by MTEXT? I am going to ask you most humbly if you could do a short screen cast showing me how you fill this (unexploded) "empty" cell in with info.

I am working 7 days a week right now so have not had time to actually do this, but I can tell by the generous information presented here that it won't be much of a problem. I just want to be able to print this out and close the post that way I can actually do this when I get a day off. Many thanks....

[Jowennl]

Hi @ESchomberg ,

Can you check if this animation can help you?

Table_and_Mtext_Concept.gif

Cheers,

Jowenn

[Jeff_M]

@Jowennl, thanks, that is pretty much what I do.

[Anonymous]

I prepare lots of large subdivision plats (+/- 75 lots) and when making line and curve tables I have run into a problem. An A/C support person told me to use CPOLY to select since I have multiple sheets and only want the line and curve tags that appear on the particular sheet to show. As you might figure, I have hundreds of line and curve tags and do not want them all on each sheet.  I have found the problem with this method of selection is that you can't add or remove tags from the tables. The only other way I know to select data is to go one by one which is not at all practical. Can you tell me what I am missing or a better way to make selections?

[IanMcClain]

You could put groups of labels associated with a particular sheet on layers dedicated to each sheet, then isolate each layer of labels and create tables by mass selecting the labels for a given sheet.