Civil 3D Table Settings (ROW HEIGHT)

[Anonymous]

Hey Everybody I searched all these boards and found a couple posts on this but no answers. Is there a way to change the row height in Civil 3D Created Tables (What I'm working with is Parcel Line and Curve Tables). I don't see any options in the styles or table properties menus and changing it in the general autocad tablestyles menu does nothing. Thanks for the help!

Matt Moore
Racey Engineering, PLLC
C3D SP2

[Anonymous]

Hey Everybody I searched all these boards and found a couple posts on this but no answers. Is there a way to change the row height in Civil 3D Created Tables (What I'm working with is Parcel Line and Curve Tables). I don't see any options in the styles or table properties menus and changing it in the general autocad tablestyles menu does nothing. Thanks for the help!

Matt Moore
Racey Engineering, PLLC
C3D SP2

[Jeff_M]

Yes, the more Kudos, the better chance we have of getting it looked at.

[Jeff_M]

Yes, the more Kudos, the better chance we have of getting it looked at.

[Anonymous]

Select the cells by dragging or shift-pick, In the Properties pallete enter the desired height in "Cell Height". There are several other editable properties.

Carl Geiger

Focus Engineering

[Anonymous]

Select the cells by dragging or shift-pick, In the Properties pallete enter the desired height in "Cell Height". There are several other editable properties.

Carl Geiger

Focus Engineering

[Jeff_M]

@Anonymous, yes, that would be nice IF the Civil3D tables reacted like a base AutoCAD table. However, they do not and the row height is not editable.

[Jeff_M]

@Anonymous, yes, that would be nice IF the Civil3D tables reacted like a base AutoCAD table. However, they do not and the row height is not editable.

[pam.houghtaling]

With the entire table showing on your screen, you can simply click the table.  You'll see a number of grippers appear.  Select the lower left one , or the lower right one and drag to change row height and/or column width.

[pam.houghtaling]

With the entire table showing on your screen, you can simply click the table.  You'll see a number of grippers appear.  Select the lower left one , or the lower right one and drag to change row height and/or column width.

[Jeff_M]

@pam.houghtaling, That works great for an AutoCAD table, not so much for a Civil 3D table which only has one grip for the location

[Jeff_M]

@pam.houghtaling, That works great for an AutoCAD table, not so much for a Civil 3D table which only has one grip for the location

[tazeman]

I have the same issue in Civil 3D 2018. The row height still cant be changed.... good news is that we can still change, modify and alter nearly every other  random setting in the software we pay thousands for. Since this has been an issue for so long and no attention has been given to it I am starting a LinkedIN social media campaign to get some attention. We pay good money for this software, of which, I use approximately 10% of its overall capability. One would think that within that 10%, the Autodesk Folks would throw us a bone by making this basic change. I welcome everyone to like the LinkedIN post using the hashtags #CIV3DcellHeight and #AutodeskJustFIXit.- Here is a link to the post....LinkedIN Article

[tazeman]

I have the same issue in Civil 3D 2018. The row height still cant be changed.... good news is that we can still change, modify and alter nearly every other  random setting in the software we pay thousands for. Since this has been an issue for so long and no attention has been given to it I am starting a LinkedIN social media campaign to get some attention. We pay good money for this software, of which, I use approximately 10% of its overall capability. One would think that within that 10%, the Autodesk Folks would throw us a bone by making this basic change. I welcome everyone to like the LinkedIN post using the hashtags #CIV3DcellHeight and #AutodeskJustFIXit.- Here is a link to the post....LinkedIN Article

[RandyBenson]

I gave up trying to create a compact version of the (in this case) curve table that C3D makes. I was looking for a way to let the air out by decreasing the row height and the gap between grid line and text, but C3D defeated me.

I found a (Russian) app on the AutoDesk app store, called ‘CivilTable Export toCSV’, which works, BUT it creates a file where all the data are formatted like “C2”,17°52’00””,”300.00”,etc… which kinda sucked BUT I realized I could open the CSV file in TextPad and Search/Replace the quotes away CAREFULLY because I needed to set ‘Block’ selection mode so I didn’t Replace the “ that is the ‘seconds’ symbol in the delta field.

ANYWAY, then I saved it and reopened in it Excel, made SURE to check the ‘Print Grid Lines’ box, and cut/pasted it into the drawing. Close but no cigar. It looks fine on the screen but when plotted to PDF, some (but not all) of the data is printed in an arial font, not my spiffy arch-font). Erased it and tried linking to it instead of cut/pasting. Still no joy on the font front.

SO (in Excel again) I globally set the row spacing to a smallish number, but not so small that the grid lines disappear, and saved the file as a PDF. THEN, I opened the PDF in Acrobat and cropped the image down to just outside the border of the table, and PDFAttached it into the drawing. It comes in too big by 1/3, but it’s adjustable with the grips (which a C3D table isn’t).

So:

C3D -> CivilTableExportToCSV -> TextPad -> Excel -> Acrobat -> C3D. 

Simple.

[RandyBenson]

I gave up trying to create a compact version of the (in this case) curve table that C3D makes. I was looking for a way to let the air out by decreasing the row height and the gap between grid line and text, but C3D defeated me.

I found a (Russian) app on the AutoDesk app store, called ‘CivilTable Export toCSV’, which works, BUT it creates a file where all the data are formatted like “C2”,17°52’00””,”300.00”,etc… which kinda sucked BUT I realized I could open the CSV file in TextPad and Search/Replace the quotes away CAREFULLY because I needed to set ‘Block’ selection mode so I didn’t Replace the “ that is the ‘seconds’ symbol in the delta field.

ANYWAY, then I saved it and reopened in it Excel, made SURE to check the ‘Print Grid Lines’ box, and cut/pasted it into the drawing. Close but no cigar. It looks fine on the screen but when plotted to PDF, some (but not all) of the data is printed in an arial font, not my spiffy arch-font). Erased it and tried linking to it instead of cut/pasting. Still no joy on the font front.

SO (in Excel again) I globally set the row spacing to a smallish number, but not so small that the grid lines disappear, and saved the file as a PDF. THEN, I opened the PDF in Acrobat and cropped the image down to just outside the border of the table, and PDFAttached it into the drawing. It comes in too big by 1/3, but it’s adjustable with the grips (which a C3D table isn’t).

So:

C3D -> CivilTableExportToCSV -> TextPad -> Excel -> Acrobat -> C3D. 

Simple.

[caddie99]

that seems like more work than saving a copy of the dwg and then explode the table

[caddie99]

that seems like more work than saving a copy of the dwg and then explode the table

[tazeman]

The question is, why do we need to? It really is nonsense.

[tazeman]

The question is, why do we need to? It really is nonsense.

[ChrisRS]

This post started in in January 2006. That is almost 12 years. (It is an issue for me as well.)

A similar Civil 3D Ideas Post was accepted in April of 2015. The comment was that it was grouped with other ideas and tracked as a Portfolio Feature (PF2426).
That was 2 and one half years ago.

(By the way, there have been no Civil 3D Idea status updates since 10-06-2019, just over one year.)

Wendell ( @BushW ), any update? This is the sort of thing that does not speak well of Autodesk's commitment to their customers.

[ChrisRS]

This post started in in January 2006. That is almost 12 years. (It is an issue for me as well.)

A similar Civil 3D Ideas Post was accepted in April of 2015. The comment was that it was grouped with other ideas and tracked as a Portfolio Feature (PF2426).
That was 2 and one half years ago.

(By the way, there have been no Civil 3D Idea status updates since 10-06-2019, just over one year.)

Wendell ( @BushW ), any update? This is the sort of thing that does not speak well of Autodesk's commitment to their customers.

[tazeman]

So True Again please click on the LinkedIn article above and feel free to comment. Hopefully someone will notice and actually do something.....

[tazeman]

So True Again please click on the LinkedIn article above and feel free to comment. Hopefully someone will notice and actually do something.....

[DBreisch]

The fact this is a long standing topic goes to show AutoDesk isn't listening to user concerns or suggestions.

[DBreisch]

The fact this is a long standing topic goes to show AutoDesk isn't listening to user concerns or suggestions.

[tazeman]

Please go to the LinkedIn Article and like it. Tell your friends to like it and by all means comment. LinkedIN Article

Thanks for the reply and Kudos. #CIV3DcellHeight and #AutodeskJustFIXit

[tazeman]

Please go to the LinkedIn Article and like it. Tell your friends to like it and by all means comment. LinkedIN Article

Thanks for the reply and Kudos. #CIV3DcellHeight and #AutodeskJustFIXit

[Anonymous]

I just stumbled across this thread thinking surely there must be a fix by now.  Apparently not.

Looks like row height is three times the text height.  I wish we could modify that variable.

My workaround for point tables is to copy the point data from c3d to excel.  Then paste a column at a time to notepad, then into mtext in c3d.  Make sure the mtext's line space style is set to "exactly" or you might run into issues.  I have a template setup so this only takes a bit plus I don't have tons of little line segments.

It is unfortunate that this thread dates back so far.

[Anonymous]

I just stumbled across this thread thinking surely there must be a fix by now.  Apparently not.

Looks like row height is three times the text height.  I wish we could modify that variable.

My workaround for point tables is to copy the point data from c3d to excel.  Then paste a column at a time to notepad, then into mtext in c3d.  Make sure the mtext's line space style is set to "exactly" or you might run into issues.  I have a template setup so this only takes a bit plus I don't have tons of little line segments.

It is unfortunate that this thread dates back so far.

[Incognito_Cube]

You know, what's most frustrating about this ongoing issue is the fact that you CAN change the horizontal AND vertical margins in the regular table editor (shown in the attachment). These, however, are only usable with generic data extraction or datalink and are not dynamic as most understand. If there was a way to just get that one little dialogue box option to appear in the tag table style creation menu, my Plats would look so much better, and be far more conscious of space on the pages.

For the time being though, I've been doing what has been previously suggesting; making a table, exploding, and re-arranging. It's a terrible waste of time, so I may have to look into that suggestion made earlier about the Russian app, or whatever, as there seems to be some good consensus behind it from those who use it.

I'm waiting for the day this thread gets a comment showing an update or fix that remedies this.

I will literally vomit out of excitement.

[Incognito_Cube]

You know, what's most frustrating about this ongoing issue is the fact that you CAN change the horizontal AND vertical margins in the regular table editor (shown in the attachment). These, however, are only usable with generic data extraction or datalink and are not dynamic as most understand. If there was a way to just get that one little dialogue box option to appear in the tag table style creation menu, my Plats would look so much better, and be far more conscious of space on the pages.

For the time being though, I've been doing what has been previously suggesting; making a table, exploding, and re-arranging. It's a terrible waste of time, so I may have to look into that suggestion made earlier about the Russian app, or whatever, as there seems to be some good consensus behind it from those who use it.

I'm waiting for the day this thread gets a comment showing an update or fix that remedies this.

I will literally vomit out of excitement.

[cwr-pae]

If you find the utility some one mentioned to export a C3D table to csv file the open the file in excel and save as an excel file you can data link to a regular vanilla cad table. Thus you can have a semi dynamic table. To update you have to do the export, save as over the original excel file and update the data link.

As always, a work around is not a solution. Take a moment to vote the idea up if you haven't already. VOTE for THIS 

[cwr-pae]

If you find the utility some one mentioned to export a C3D table to csv file the open the file in excel and save as an excel file you can data link to a regular vanilla cad table. Thus you can have a semi dynamic table. To update you have to do the export, save as over the original excel file and update the data link.

As always, a work around is not a solution. Take a moment to vote the idea up if you haven't already. VOTE for THIS 

[Incognito_Cube]

Hey CWR.

Is there a way to have Datalink work with an off-brand Excel? Like, say, LibreOffice Calc? When I try to start a Datalink it will tell me that no Excel has been found, unfortunately.

[Incognito_Cube]

Hey CWR.

Is there a way to have Datalink work with an off-brand Excel? Like, say, LibreOffice Calc? When I try to start a Datalink it will tell me that no Excel has been found, unfortunately.

[cwr-pae]

Data links work with .csv, so anything that can save to that format should work. .csv is a comma delineated text file so they can be made with notepad and even the old dos edlin program. I would think any thing that can export to the .xls or .xlsx fromats should work also.

[cwr-pae]

Data links work with .csv, so anything that can save to that format should work. .csv is a comma delineated text file so they can be made with notepad and even the old dos edlin program. I would think any thing that can export to the .xls or .xlsx fromats should work also.

[Incognito_Cube]

Ahh, okay. That makes sense. Thank you for the clarification!

[Incognito_Cube]

Ahh, okay. That makes sense. Thank you for the clarification!

[ChrisRS]

I commented on this previously. (My comment of 11/11/2017)

Since then, we have past the 12 year anniversary of the initial post.

As I noted previously, Autodesk has "accepted" and "Idea" about fixing this, so there is hope. I am not holding my breath.

There have been numerous workarounds posted. Here is my addition to the workaround discussion:

• Typically Civil 3D tables are out of the way in model space. For publication, the table appears in a paper space viewport.
• Whatever work around you use, leave the Civil 3D table intact and place the "workaround" next to it so comparisons are easy. 
• As you refine the project, you can update the Civil 3D table and visually compare the two table and update the workaround manually if necessary. 
• Comparisons are easier if the workaround has the same cell height and larger text. Adjust the scale of your paper space viewport as necessary.

I hate workarounds. 

Come on, Autodesk. Have some pride and fix this.

[ChrisRS]

I commented on this previously. (My comment of 11/11/2017)

Since then, we have past the 12 year anniversary of the initial post.

As I noted previously, Autodesk has "accepted" and "Idea" about fixing this, so there is hope. I am not holding my breath.

There have been numerous workarounds posted. Here is my addition to the workaround discussion:

• Typically Civil 3D tables are out of the way in model space. For publication, the table appears in a paper space viewport.
• Whatever work around you use, leave the Civil 3D table intact and place the "workaround" next to it so comparisons are easy. 
• As you refine the project, you can update the Civil 3D table and visually compare the two table and update the workaround manually if necessary. 
• Comparisons are easier if the workaround has the same cell height and larger text. Adjust the scale of your paper space viewport as necessary.

I hate workarounds. 

Come on, Autodesk. Have some pride and fix this.