ARROWS LOSING HATCH

[ESchomberg]

Dear sirs, I have run in to this before it is absolutely crazy and baffling to me. I have not seen this for a long time but here it is again. I went back to a boundary drawing that I did to add a house. The dimensions that I used initially (arrow heads) have hatch like they are supposed to but the new arrow heads on my dimensions have no hatch, It is just an empty triangle. But even weirder, in model space you can see that they are hatched, but in paper space the hatch is just gone!!! What the heck is going on here??? I am posting the drawing. Thanks for any help...

[chriscowgill7373]

Arrowheads look exactly the same to me.  try turning off hardware acceleration 3DCONFIG

[Jeew-m]

Dear Friend,

Type command FILLMODE and set it to 1. Regenerate the dwg for changes to take effect.

And more data here.

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Fill-n...

Thanks

[ESchomberg]

I apologize for posting this twice, but this did not work. The gentleman in the other post suggested that maybe I exploded it, which I did. The problem is, I have been exploding these arrows for over a year and had no issues. You can even see on the same drawing that previously I exploded arrows and they are fine.

[ESchomberg]

I tried this sir and it does not work.

[ESchomberg]

So my next question would be, If I cannot explode these diminsion lines, how the heck do you manipulate them?

[Pointdump]

Erik,

Why do you need to 'splode those dims?

Edit: OK, I see, I just read the duplicate post.

Dave

[Jeew-m]

I can't guess what is the issue because when I open your dwg i don't see any hatch less areas in the arrows. Did you try with toggling LEVEL OF DETAIL mode.?

[wfberry]

I could not quite get to the bottom of this.

1.  It is not a hatch, it is a solid.

2.  Using either the FILL or FILLMODE command you can turn some of them on or off.

3.  They all seem to be on the same layer. (Dimentions (sp)

Bill

[Anonymous]

Is there any chance there is a Z rotation/twist in the viewport?  This can cause some oddities with dimensions.

[wfberry]

Conan:

I think you hit on something.  I used my "old school" way of bringing a VIEW into paperspace and there was no problem.

I used the same rotation as the original for the viewport.

Bill

[ESchomberg]

Yes mam, my survey is cocked at an angle so in paper space I unlocked the view port typed "MUSETUP"......"align".....and gave it an angle to rotate the drawing so that in paper space the drawing is in a more upright direction. This was shown to me by a fellow cadman at work. In model space the drawing remains cocked at an angle but in paper space the drawing is upright and the north arrow becomes cocked at an angle. You think rotating like this could be an issue???

[ESchomberg]

But also, since the drawing in model space was cocked to the side, I was playing around with the UCS trying to figure out a way to make the drawing upright in model space so that I did not have to turn my head to draw a house on the property. I abandoned the idea because I know nothing about the UCS. So I ended up rotating the drawing in model space 30° to the left.....drew my house.....and then rotated it back 30° to the right.

[ESchomberg]

Thank you for trying to help, that is very strange that you guys are not seeing the missing fill that I am seeing, that would definitely make it hard to diagnose.

[Anonymous]

If the object you choose to align with has two different Z values this will make the view be MODEL view (A 3D view).  It may be quite subtle shift.  A LINE for example can have two different Z values and in a survey often does.

Although there are many ways to set a viewpoint, I will give you our work flow:

1. In model space we select the geometry we want to use as the basis for the view.  We ensure it is 2D.  (If it isn't, and you need to keep it, draw a polyline over the line and set the polyline to Elevation 0)

2. Set a UCS by object (ucs object - Select the 2D object)

3. Set a named UCS  (ucs named save "Name of UCS")  (Not sure on the ribbon.)

4. In the Paper Space viewport restore the UCS (ucs named restore "Name of UCS") Then type PLAN.  You can also do PLAN in model space to see the same view there.

All though more complicated than MVSETUP it allows us to share the UCS among multiple viewports.  It also allows us to ensure the object we are aligning too is 2D and the added bonus of allowing us to use the same view in model space.  I am sure MVSETUP would work fine as well, as long as the object is 2D.

I am wondering if this is a reason why you are exploding the dimension?  In paper space and while printing the dimension appears to be wrong if the view is not 2D?  In other words doesn't scale correctly.

Hope that helps,

[ESchomberg]

Yes mam, that is a bit complicated for me but I am interested in what you have to say. This whole software is a bit complicated. Your reply was based on 2d drawings which immediately spawns a new inquiry for me. Drawing a topographic survey which is both 2d and 3d. In a topographic survey some lines need to be 2d such as buildings and dimensions but some lines need to be 3d such as break lines. This becomes a complication for me because the guys where I work flatten all of their breaklines on their topos which in my opinion is not a breakline at all. The way I see it is that if you flatten all of your lines in a topo, then it is not a breakline at all.  I feel that a breakline should be 3d such as a feature line so that the contours will be interpolated by 3d lines. They then spend a lot of time flipping edges to make the contours look correct. But based on the topo drawings that I have done, if I draw feature lines as breaklines then the software does the work for you and swapping edges is unnecessary. I am sorry if I am getting off of the subject but I will definitely look at your tip for workflow.

[ESchomberg]

Wow, now when I annotate the house, I can see the annotation in model space and in paper space, but when I plot to PDF some of the house annotations do not show up. Why do they create a program that does not work?? unbelievable!! Shaking my head in disgust. 

[ESchomberg]

I had to annotate half of the house dimensions in paper space and half in model space... I had to trace lines over the triangles(making the arrows) and manually hatch them to be able to get this drawing out. This is ridiculous....This will probably go unresolved but thanks for trying.

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

The software works great in your situation.  We do it every day.  It may be your workflow that is causing the issues.  (I have my issues, but far, far away from AutoCAD, which is all you are really doing in this case)

So I did down load your drawing this morning and take a look.  There are some 3D elements, so I would urge caution when selecting a UCS.  Some of the dimensions were not at zero, but I couldn't perceive any twist.

I do have some comments on the work flow you described:

1. With you I don't think the surface information should ever be flattened.  I am not a Surveyor, but as a Civil Designer, I never flip triangles.  The data to make the surface should be correct.

2. Although it may be tradition at your company, I do not understand why you would explode the dimensions.  This doesn't make much sense.  Leave them be and see if that helps.

3. If your typical work flow involves dimensioning  the building foot print, you my find it more handy to use a Civil 3d Label style.  That way you can label the entire polyline with one click.  This can be found in the Tool Space under Settings - then General - Multipurpose - Line (Create or edit a style and add the distance to the label) .  Once the style is created in your template, you can label from the Annotate Tab - Add Labels Select Type "Line and Curve"  Label Type "Multiple Segments"  click add and it will annotate the entire line with labels that are annotative in Paper Space.  (This is the power of Civil 3d)  You can also use the Automatic dimensioning features of the newer version of Autocad to get almost the same results.  I prefer the Civil 3d way because as the scale changes the text size changes in Paper Space.

In my experience, some survey firms can become a little stuck in there ways.  I hope if you start to see the power of this software, you don't rock the boat to much (Why are you exploding dimensions?)  It can cause problems with those stuck in R12.

Good Luck!

PS Feel free to PM me if you would like more information, although, a class would be easier than me.

[Anonymous]

The house in this case was the 3d portion of your survey drawing.  That may have been the annotation issue.

I can assure you that Dimensions work great in AutoCAD.  At least if they aren't 3d and exploded.