Alignment labels at multiples arbitrary stations (same for profiles)

[MikeKitchen5860]

I would like to include profile elevations (on VC) in a plan on an alignment at multiple locations that are not necessarily PIs, VPIs, or other geometry points (eg. places where other alignments intersect). Right now I do this with a "station" label style and then enter the station I want labeled manually. This is repeated with each point I want labeled--which is time-consuming. Is there a way to simplify this? I've looked and can't find one.

[samir_rezk]

Hi @MikeKitchen5860 

You can use a reference text component in your station/offset label. The standard label contains the Alignment properties, and then you can add a reference component to read the intersecting alignment properties.

Here are more info on adding and using reference text components in your label 

Link 1 and Link 2

Hope this helps,

[Jeew-m]

Hi,

This is in addition to Samir's comments.

In this VIDEO you have a way how to define a reference text for profile elevations. In your case you use it to modify your desired label style.

Thanks

[MikeKitchen5860]

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[Joe-Bouza]

I have a profile geometry label in my alignment labels set. by default it labels all the vertical geometry but you can choose which points  in the edit alignment labels  which profile  select the point. you can also limit the station range to cover

[MikeKitchen5860]

Hi all

Thanks for your responses. I understand and use reference labels. In fact, it sounds like my method is pretty close to Joe's. But it is cumbersome and prone to error. The attached screenshot shows what I'm doing. It's for an overland drainage plan (basically showing road grades and some storm drainage info) for a subdivision. Labeling the HP, LP, VPI, etc... is easy enough. However, getting the grades at the alignment intersections is where I have to generate alignment station labels for each extra point and manually enter the station values. Adding VPIs at these points on the profile will mess up my vertical curves. Point and click with OSNAPs would, obviously, be much easier. I suppose I could go to surface labels (which are point and click), but (as an added wrinkle) those elevations shown at CL are actually LOG (per local municipality's drawing standards). Yes, I could make a bunch of extra surfaces (one for each pavement width) to make this work--but this is, again, quite cumbersome. Am I missing something?

Thanks again

Mike

[Joe-Bouza]

I am not exactly sure why using profile geometry in the alignment labels would be prone to error. I wouldn't change the station range. set the point to label add it to a alignment label set and in the future all you have to do is choose the profile. Use an intersection label styled to report the elevation the flow line should be in the side road profile.

What are the point on either side of the hp lp?

What random spots do not exist in the profile?

[MikeKitchen5860]

Hi Joe

What I meant by "random" or "arbitrary" were spots on the alignement where I need to show elevations (usually lip of gutter) but where there are no PVIs, BVCs, HPs.... This usually happens at intersections with other alignments (other roads, alleys/lanes, PLs/backyard swales). As I said, my method right now is to add an individual "major station" label to the set at each of these stations with reference text linking to the appropriate profile (see my annotations on the attached screenshot). I set the "start" and "end" to the same station. This works, but it takes awhile, and I have to type in the station values (I can't just click and OSNAP to the location I want--hence the station labels). That's what I meant by "onerous." It seemed to me that there must be a better way than this, but searching the help and forums didn't get me anything--so I asked. So my question remains, does anyone know of a better/more efficient workflow for what I'm doing?

Aside: The points adjacent the HP/LP on the east west road are the PVIs of a couple of VCs (I haven't put this on its title block with legends, yet). I'm still reformatting all my labeling as we recently got a new set of CAD standards prescribed by a local authority; so things look a little odd drafting-wise.

Thanks

Mike

[Joe-Bouza]

Hi Mike @MikeKitchen5860 

I follow you now.

Agreed you should be able to point and click by this point in the software development.

[Joe-Bouza]

I know it sounds whacky but you can make a supplemental layout profile that labels the specific points. add to the design check overhead but you would essentially be pointing and clicking 

[lynn_zhang]

Hello @MikeKitchen5860 ,

Have you tried the above suggestion from @Joe-Bouza and did it work? Let us know if you still need help.

[MikeKitchen5860 · Accepted solution]

Hi @Joe-Bouza ,

Per your suggestion above, how would I generate this supplemental layout profile? Is this labeling in a profile view (for plan/profiles) or as an alignment label (for my overland drainage plan?) Would the supplemental profile be dynamically linked to the design profile?

PS. I ended up using my old method using major station labels (in this case referencing a superimposed offset profile). My overland drainage plan looks OK. And the labels are dynamic, in case I have to make minor adjustments to my vertical alignments. My question for Autodesk: could the station limits for major station labels not have a point-and-click option, like how one can define regions’ limits when editing a corridor?

Cheers

Mike

[cwr-pae]

Have you tried the "station offset" label type with a reference text to the profile(s)? The labels can be placed with point and click. After the first label is placed they can be moved or copied and remains dynamic in its relation to the profile (station & offset) to the alignment if the alignment changes (if placed at or copied to sta 1+00, 10r it will stay at sta 1+00, 10r through any changes to the alignment). The "station offset - fixed point" offers the same functionality without the dynamic station/offset relationship. Both type of labels allow you to change the alignment and/profile after they are placed allowing coping as needed.

To label your profile you should look in to the add crossing objects (_AeccAddCrossingsProfile) command. I'm not sure of all the possibilites but a 3d polyline (or offset alignment to remain dynamic to the centerline) on a non-plotting layer can be used for the station (and help in point click placement of alignment labels) with the elevation read from the profile.

[Joe-Bouza]

you have the EOP alignment profiles and want to label in plan specific points in plan; side street intersections at flow line etc.. 

create a layout profile of only pvi snapping to the EOP profile at the specific location ... add to the alignment label set