Alignment Label Incorrect Display in XREF

[dasindog]

Drawing A contains geometry point station labels for alignments. When dragged they do not show a leader arrowhead.
Drawing B contains an XREF of drawing A. The alignment labels in drawing A now show up with leader arrowheads.

other info:
No labeling is perfomed in drawing B.
both annotation scales are 1"=40
regen does not fix
reloading xref does not fix
using a different style, does not change.
changing arrowhead in drawing A never reflects as an XREF
audit returns no errors in either drawing
visretain setting makes no difference

IDEAS? My boss and I are pulling our hair out on this one.

[dgordon]

Change the Dragged state style in drawing b for leader arrrowheads to false.

Dan

[dasindog]

Thanks for the idea but I tried this and it doesn't work. I don't see why it would. Am I wrong in my thinking that when a drawing is xref'd civil3d styles should not change, only adjust size based on annotation?

[Anonymous]

Probably wrong on both counts, styles are not exactly affected by annotation
scale unless changing the annotation scale changes the scale of the
drawing/layout.

Bill

wrote in message news:6311708@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks for the idea but I tried this and it doesn't work. I don't see why it
would. Am I wrong in my thinking that when a drawing is xref'd civil3d
styles should not change, only adjust size based on annotation?

[dasindog]

If I change annotation scale in model or paperspace, Civil 3D labels will change text style based on the given height in the style in relationship with the new scale. But the styles in a drawing that contain an XREF have nothing to do with the xref's labels. Am I missing something? I thought I had a pretty solid understanding of this considering how many projects I've completed, but maybe I've gone nuts. 🙂 Can you shed more light on what you are saying? Treat me like I'm a five year old, I've obviously seen one to many episodes of Dora the Explorer.
Thanks guys.

[BrianHailey]

Don't know why and it's kind of annoying but labels that are xrefed in, do not react to the drawing scale. They only react to the viewport scale.

http://screencast.com/t/MzQ2MDNlNm

Brian Hailey
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[dasindog]

OK, I do remember that. But as far as styles go, linetype, arrowhead style, color, and markers that is solely dependent on the XREF's styles and can't be modified by the drawing that contains the XREF, no?

[Sinc]

If you change the scale in the Status Bar, it is changing both the Annotation Scale and the Drawing Scale at the same time. This may be why you think changing the Annotation Scale affects Civil 3D labels. It doesn't - Civil 3D labels are completely independent of Annotation Scale. This is because Civil 3D labels existed before Autocad had an Annotation Scale. Hopefully, Autodesk will rectify this issue at some point, because we really want Civil 3D labels to scale according to the Annotation Scale (at least as an option, if not as default behavior).

You can see this by changing the Drawing Scale and Annotation Scale independently, or by going into a paperspace viewport and changing the viewport zoom factor and Annotation Scale independently. In order to change the Annotation Scale without changing the viewport or drawing scale, change CANNOSCALE directly. In order to change a viewport scale without changing the Annotation Scale, use ZOOM XP. And remember to REGEN after making changes - not all things resize until you REGEN the drawing.

-- Sinc
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[dasindog]

I only change the CANNOSCALE setting so I see why that didn't make sense earlier. But the real issue that I was trying to get to was the style not showing properly in the drawing that contains the XREF. Do you have any ideas on that?

[Sinc]

I'm not sure I fully understand your problem. It doesn't sound like anything I've ever seen.

If I'm "getting it", then it makes me wonder if by chance you have a label style with the same name in both your XREF and your current drawing, but maybe with different settings in each? In other words, it sounds like you may have a label style called (for example) "MyLabelStyle" in your XREF, and in your XREF, "MyLabelStyle" is set to no arrowheads. Then, in your current drawing, you also have a style called "MyLabelStyle", but in the current drawing, the label style has arrowheads. So the item in the XREF is showing up with arrowheads in the current drawing.

If that's the case, then you might try to create a style like "MyStyleWithArrowheads", and another one "MyStyleNoArrowheads". Then use the appropriate one. (Obviously, you'd want to use better names for the styles.) Of course, I'm just guessing that the problem is related to having styles with the same name but different settings, so this might not help. But it might also clear up the issue.

-- Sinc
http://www.ejsurveying.com
http://www.quuxsoft.com

[Sinc]

Oh, and if you've been changing your Annotation Scale by changing CANNOSCALE, then you might try changing it using the status bar, instead, so that the Drawing Scale changes. It occurs to me that your problem may be related to having a different Drawing Scale in your current drawing, as compared to your XREF. So it might be related to the general "Civil 3D labels in XREFs do not scale properly in modelspace" issue, and changing your Drawing Scale in the current drawing to the same setting as you have in your XREF might clear up the issue. (You can also change the Drawing Scale in Drawing Settings.)

-- Sinc
http://www.ejsurveying.com
http://www.quuxsoft.com

[Anonymous]

This issue has been mentioned a number of times in the past, with no mention
of a solution. I hadn't noticed it in my 2010 drawings, so I just did a
check.....sure enough, it still exhibits this problem. I guess I haven't
seen it because I place almost all of my labels in the plotted sheets so
they are not Xref'ed.

The first post I found regarding this was back in 2007 in reference to
C3D2008. Perhaps log a support request or it may never be addressed.

"civil3danswers" wrote in message news:6312198@discussion.autodesk.com...
> OK, I do remember that. But as far as styles go, linetype, arrowhead
> style, color, and markers that is solely dependent on the XREF's styles
> and can't be modified by the drawing that contains the XREF, no?

[dasindog]

Thanks for the info Jeff. I wish we did all our labeling in XREFs but that's not how we handle it right now. As long as the problem happens as an incorrect arrowhead then that's fine. Hopefully it's never worse than that.

[Marsay]

still a problem in 2017 sp1.1